The Poker Tournament Formula: The Conclusion

Al Mirpuri · #1 09-29-2007, 03:47 PM

I read the book but I do not play turbo tournaments. What I would like to know is if anyone has come across 'the ptf' style in real tourney play and what effect the book has had on the play of tourneys in general.

Exitonly · #2 09-29-2007, 03:48 PM

I've never heard of this.

Is this like Kill Phil?

dogsballs · #3 09-30-2007, 01:37 AM

From the title, I thought u were gonna give us a summary of that humungous thread.

Mr.WeakTight · #4 09-30-2007, 07:51 AM

i thought it was a book that advocated using BB remaining to determine what tournaments are easier / tougher. I didn't think it had strategery. but i didn't read the book. in the 2+2 Internet magazine a few issues ago, someone wrote an article about why it's wrong to use BBR sted M.

4CardStraight · #5 09-30-2007, 10:30 AM

I bought it, read it.

Its marginal at best. It has several things in it that are completely wrong. Some of it has some value, like for instance that we should be more aggressive with position, and we should be more aggressive with a thinner stack. By in large tho, I think those that follow his advice to the letter will be just as succesful as he is. Go to hendon mob and see if you can find all of arnold snyders big wins.

I think his advice could be a winning strategy if we were playing an uber fast sit and go with a bunch of weak tight reject live players. In todays turbo online SNG format, his maniacal play is not highly recommended.

As an example he recommends always raising on the button when its folded to you, and then always betting when checked to you. He recommends open pushing from all positions when your stack is under 5BB. He recommends always pushing when theres a few limpers in the pot.

These are not winning long term strategies, regardless of tournament speed.

4Card

Dromar · #6 09-30-2007, 11:03 AM

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I'm pretty sure Arnold Snyder is a BlackJack guy. I don't know what he's doing writing a poker book.

pacecar86 · #7 10-01-2007, 03:45 PM

bought it, read it, filed it (next to Kill Phil) - yawn - nothing really new, or anywhere close to "break through" here - marginal value for me was a quick, back of envelope quant way to indexing/sorting live structures into buckets of "good", "better", "best". Maybe for the beginner player, it might raise a bit of awareness that structure matters & need to be mindful of tourney structure imnpacts on the player & need to make some adjustments. I think blackjack specialists have sort of a tendancy towards seeking to develop optimum play/strat, in a spreadsheet/table driven way that NLHE can't be reduced to but blackjack can.

Sherman · #8 10-01-2007, 05:01 PM

The book actually helped me more with cash games than tournaments if that makes any sense.

funkymunky · #9 10-01-2007, 06:02 PM

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Level? (serious question)

Sherman · #10 10-01-2007, 06:37 PM

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Level? (serious question)

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Not really a level. I found that his raise ATC in LP strategy is quite effective in deep-stacked cash games. Which in turn really re-opened my eyes to the value of position.