nl600 vs. 2er

microbet · #1 10-04-2006, 11:29 AM

I have been fairly aggressive preflop at this table. I have c-bet most of the time or sometimes floating a flop and raising the turn and haven't seen more than one or two showdowns. That has been going fine.

Within the last few rounds though, villian has played back at me twice. I've missed the flop completely those times and folded.

Villian is a 2er and seems to be good. Until the last couple times he's been pretty TAG. I have no idea if he's been making moves on me or if he hit a couple hands.

Now this:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($533.05)
BB ($1015.60)
UTG ($1538.05)
Hero ($481)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($39) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero raises to $90, BB calls $60.

Turn: ($219) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ?

dangerfish · #2 10-04-2006, 11:42 AM

I think you have to bet/fold this turn. Looks like he fired a total bluff or has a big club. I've been playing nl full time for 1 month and Ive seen players make moves on 3 suited boards a ton. Thats my take on the situation. Besides if you check its going to be a hard spot for you on the river if he fires a big bet.

ArturiusX · #3 10-04-2006, 11:50 AM

HATE the flop raise a lot. Whats accomplished?

microbet · #4 10-04-2006, 11:54 AM

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I'm not sure. If he has a worse hand, I've got more money in good. If he has a better hand, I put money in badly. I was just thinking he likely didn't have much, but probably overs and it would be good if he folded.

edit: I think there's virtually no chance he checks down, so do you think I am calling him down, check-folding, or making a move on his turn or river bet?

ArturiusX · #5 10-04-2006, 11:55 AM

May as well flip your hand face up for him to play the rest of the hand. Think about it.

microbet · #6 10-04-2006, 12:01 PM

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May as well flip your hand face up for him to play the rest of the hand. Think about it.

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I could well be wrong, but I'll raise other hands that I'll play there. I'll certainly raise 2-pair or trips. A very strong draw/combo draw I'll raise and look to either get it all in on the flop or turn.

edit: I could also easily be raising with air.

Parlay Slow · #7 10-04-2006, 12:07 PM

raising the flop is def not bad

Phresh · #8 10-04-2006, 12:08 PM

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He has 88.

ArturiusX · #9 10-04-2006, 12:14 PM

I'm assuming our opponent is decent and think we're relativly solid. When we raise that flop, a large percentage of the hands in my view that he would bet are going to either be 3-betting (maybe pushing), or c/r the turn all in. Tough spot, save it all by calling him and forcing a larger mistake at a later street.

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edit: I could also easily be raising with air.

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Don't kid yourself, you'd never make that play.

microbet · #10 10-04-2006, 12:38 PM

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I'm assuming our opponent is decent and think we're relativly solid. When we raise that flop, a large percentage of the hands in my view that he would bet are going to either be 3-betting (maybe pushing), or c/r the turn all in. Tough spot, save it all by calling him and forcing a larger mistake at a later street.

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edit: I could also easily be raising with air.

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Don't kid yourself, you'd never make that play.

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I'd only been at the table for about 40 minutes and couldn't find the exact same line where I raised preflop and then raised the flop with air. This is the closest in that game:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($567)
MP ($787.80)
CO ($761.45)
Button ($1175)
SB ($1307)
Hero ($582)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB raises to $18, Hero calls $12.

Flop: ($36) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $24, Hero raises to $72, SB folds.

Final Pot: $132