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Re: 30/60 turn spot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I raise AcTc in HJ, HU w/ bb, flop 96c5c. He c/c. Turn is offsuit 7. (9657 board). He c/r. I b/3bet. spew? plan for hand? [/ QUOTE ] why did you bet the turn? 3betting is amazingly bad. [/ QUOTE ] Let me explain. When he calls the flop on this board, he either has (a) a pair (b) a club draw (c) a gutshot or (d) nothing. When the turn card comes, he still has all of these things except for (c). It is quite possible that he is bluffing with something dumb like QT on this turn, but if he is, you have the best hand and have him drawing near dead. Let him barrel away. The only thing that happens when you 3bet the turn is that he either folds a worse hand or caps it with a straight. This is basically what happens when you bet, too. Check and take the free card. [/ QUOTE ] OP here; lot's of interesting talk btw/n checking behind turn or leading again. What I'm still unsure about is the turn spot given the fact that I bet/got raised. Now there's 6BB in the pot, and I'm thinking his range for c/r is wide (including straights of course) b/c he puts me on weak holdings / air. So, this small pot is now worth taking, no? Isn't there value in 3bet semi-bluffing where FE must be huge? I mean, what can he call with? What will he call/ fold river UI with? Of course I figure he'll cap with a straight (or at least call/lead river) so since I have a tight image and I'm opening in l.p., if he doesn't have an 8 I'm winning this pot, aren't I (maybe NLHE viewpoint here, but I'm pretty sure no one thinks I'm 3bet bluffing here, and will feel good about folding 2pair type hands)? As for river, I bet a flush/straight, check behind an ace (or value-bet?), and bluff bet unless i'm sure he's calling (physically). So, I agree there's a good argument made by PBob to c turn, but given that I didn't, should I turn my hand into a bluff and try to get those 6BBs (or river flush obv plan b)? |
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Re: 30/60 turn spot
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So, I agree there's a good argument made by PBob to c turn, but given that I didn't, should I turn my hand into a bluff and try to get those 6BBs (or river flush obv plan b)? [/ QUOTE ] no. 3betting the turn got very little discussion because it is very bad and basically everyone agrees. |
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Re: 30/60 turn spot
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[ QUOTE ] So, I agree there's a good argument made by PBob to c turn, but given that I didn't, should I turn my hand into a bluff and try to get those 6BBs (or river flush obv plan b)? [/ QUOTE ] no. 3betting the turn got very little discussion because it is very bad and basically everyone agrees. [/ QUOTE ] OP-- Yeah, remember that a lot of people don't think that Villain will fold any pair here. I happen to think they're mistaken in general, but certainly I don't think a 3-bet has "a lot of fold equity." If there were a solid chance you could steal this substantial pot, then of course we'd recommend it. As it stands, you won't recover the extra BB or two you put in by 3-betting, and it probably won't be close. --Nate |
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Re: 30/60 turn spot
i agree, i think i'm overestimating the fold equity. cheers guys
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