Wrap Straight (PLO8)

Jorge10 · #1 07-18-2006, 12:34 AM

The villan is a very very passive calling station, an interesting opponent. I had never seen him reraise until this hand. He isnt very good.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $220.72
UTG+1: $78.72
MP1: $214.97
MP2: $372
MP3: $257.82
CO: $475.64
Button: $63.90
Hero: $436.95
BB: $211.20

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($20, 5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $8, MP3 raises to $51, Hero ?

What should I do?

StinkWater · #2 07-18-2006, 12:43 AM

fold? no. the way you describe the opponent, a raise is a bad idea. so, looks like a call is in order. hope that helps, jorge.

Split Suit · #3 07-18-2006, 12:44 AM

My first instinct says to re-pot it. being this...ur re-raise shud knock out any A2 from BB or UTG+1. also, a re-raise like this from a calling station generally means a set...and hed have to have a specific hand (like A255 or so) to really have a shot at both ways on the hand. My raise isnt for FE, cuz i dont really think there is any given our villian, but i think there is against naked A2's from the other 2.

i can really only justify raising or folding. calling gives odds to the 2 ppl behind u, and this is the kind of hand u want ina heads up situation, esp against a set.

(btw, what are the images of the 2 ppl in between (BB and UTG+1)? cuz that min-bet/min-raise is a really odd move and might lean me more towards folding, esp if theyve shown that they cant lay down an A2, or A23x)

neverforgetlol · #4 07-18-2006, 01:06 AM

get it in, you're getting called by any A2, two pair, set.

IronFly · #5 07-18-2006, 10:39 AM

At first I thought you were way ahead and this was an easy push. But A2-set has you a 2-1 dog. A3-set has a 55/45 advantage. Since MP3 is so passive I think he has at least a set.

After thinking about it some more I think pushing is best, but its closer than I thought. Unfortunately you cant get it all in here, so the turn can be tricky if you miss, and you're out of position. Maybe fold if you think the other players play well after the flop? [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

If you get it all in versus the calling station here I think you are ahead of his range to be profitable, but not by much. How confident are you that the other players will fold if you repot?

Tough hand Jorge, good post.

Jorge10 · #6 07-18-2006, 01:59 PM

I didnt have much on the other two guys in the hand. The table was full of people I had never seen before. I only had the read on the villan because he was playing 3 tables at once, I was in all of them.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $220.72
UTG+1: $78.72
MP1: $214.97
MP2: $372
MP3: $257.82
CO: $475.64
Button: $63.90
Hero: $436.95
BB: $211.20

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB checks.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($20, 5 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $8, MP3 raises to $51, Hero calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises all-in $66.72, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($228.16, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $228.16)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $4, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($236.16, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $228.16, Sidepot 1: $8)
Hero bets $257.16, MP3 calls all-in $175.1.
Uncalled bets: $82.06 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $586.36
Hero shows 6c Ac 7s 3c 
UTG+1 shows 3h 2d As 5d 
MP3 doesn't show 9s 6h 8s Kh 

I played it poorly. Kind of weird results. What do you guys think?

niss · #7 07-18-2006, 02:05 PM

I think you need to post MP3's screen name.

glass_onion · #8 07-26-2006, 01:40 PM

so the consensus is fold, call, or raise. Good.

I only play PLO, so maybe my read is off, but here is my .02.

you have a huge DRAW, which if you hit you are likely to only win a half pot. You certaintly have one A2, probably from mr. passive raiser. only 3 3's give you the whole pot, or 75%. While a raise MIGHT get a naked A2 to fold, a naked a2 shouldn't have been raising or calling in this sit to begin with. So he will still call, and mr passive also might have one.

So you have 16 outs to a st8, 2-3 scoop or 75%, rest of which hit will likely only win you 50% of the pot - so 8-10 true outs. Someone has trips, so you have to downgrade this even more.

Seems like an obvious fold, ESPECIALLy since mr passive raised. Otherwise, an arguement could be made . . .

If you disagree make the case.

TheStation · #9 07-26-2006, 10:38 PM

I believe you should either get it all in or fold...

If you want to continue on this is a hand where you need to PUSH people out and hope that a guy with a set calls or 2/3 pair. You dont want A2xx sticking around, I am not sure if A23x will fold here but that also wont always be out there, you only get A23x hands 1 in 100 or so, so spread that around the table and your odds of running into that and having them not lay it down, pretty low % of the time that comes along for full ride if you repop it - i think i repop it to $204 and go for a ride

The only hand you really dont want calling you is A2Kx or A3Kx as those put you in the worse shape and are a lot more likely than A255, A244, A2KK

I think it takes a helluva 2 way hand to dominate you here and its best to just get it all in the middle