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#11
11-07-2007, 08:41 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
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This is a very standard pushing spot. [/ QUOTE ] Although I rarely agree with you, a I agree wit this.. 
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#12
11-07-2007, 09:10 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
I can't understand why anyone would pass up on an +ev-spot because there might be a better spot later.
Why don't you guys just take both? Seems that the target of this style is to minimize both variance and profit.
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#13
11-07-2007, 09:54 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
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Many people will say push but I have pushed with AK SO many times and lost it is silly. FOR ME - it's early in the match and my AK is looking like a VERY expensive drawing hand. [/ QUOTE ] This very illogical. Care to explain with logical reasons and not reasons based on recent and personal experience? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I know pushing is +ev. But there will be bigger +ev situations in late game. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my thinking - why push now and risk so much when there will be better opportunities later when the chips are worth more. [/ QUOTE ] What is wrong with risking much with positive expectation? What about taking this +ev situation, expect some to make some money and start another if we bust? Not taking this spot, because having lost in this situations often recently even if it has positive expectation, because it's early and you are risking a lot are all not logical reasons. I am not trying to be mean, I am just thinking you have some logical flaws you might want to get rid of.
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#14
11-07-2007, 09:54 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
You would pass up small +EV edges because you can get larger ones later on. Taking lots of small edges leads to more variance & can miss out on a lot of larger +EV spots later.
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#15
11-07-2007, 10:02 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
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You would pass up small +EV edges because you can get larger ones later on. Taking lots of small edges leads to more variance & can miss out on a lot of larger +EV spots later. [/ QUOTE ] The pot is already 500 right? How much do we expect to make here? If we do not push here, we basicly lose the money we expect to make by pushing. Will there be a spot that has more +ev than this and also makes up for not taking this? (I could be wrong here) Again what about taking this chance and start another if we lose? I am not very sure if not taking +ev spots for taking better ones later is a good reason. Anyone care to explain? Maybe with this hand as example?
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#16
11-07-2007, 10:50 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
TFG has already said this is a good push. The only reason we are even still talking on this thread is because webster gays up every thread about AK like it's nuclear waste and he won't touch it. For him, it's a limping hand. push was good, carry on.
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#17
11-08-2007, 12:58 AM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
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[ QUOTE ] I know pushing is +ev. But there will be bigger +ev situations in late game. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my thinking - why push now and risk so much when there will be better opportunities later when the chips are worth more. [/ QUOTE ] I would never pass up this push and doing so serves absolutely no purpose. At least if you actually take a twenty out of your wallet and light it on fire, you get to watch all the pretty colors as it burns. You might remember a recent thread where I argued against pretty much everyone that it was possible to pass up a big +$EV spot (like +0.87% IIRC) on the bubble because of future hand considerations. Here's the difference between that spot and this one. Here, no one is going to do a damn thing different over the course of the tournament based on whether or not you push this hand. No one else can see your cards. If you fold here, for all they know you folded the bottom 96% of hands like they're expecting you too and no one notices. No one changes the way they play. No one makes a mistake later because of what you did. other thread
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#18
11-08-2007, 08:11 AM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
Perhaps it is because I have lost my last 14 times with pushing AK which is clouding my mind!!
Happened twice last night. My ROI (37%) and bad luck with AK is making me play poorly at times Sorry - you guy are OF COURSE right. BTW - ROI is from single tabling so it's not THAT high!
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#19
11-08-2007, 09:26 AM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
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BTW - ROI is from single tabling so it's not THAT high! [/ QUOTE ] Are you kiddin?! What's the sample size?
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#20
11-08-2007, 12:05 PM
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Re: $22- stdrd pf AK question
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Perhaps it is because I have lost my last 14 times with pushing AK which is clouding my mind!! Happened twice last night. My ROI (37%) and bad luck with AK is making me play poorly at times Sorry - you guy are OF COURSE right. BTW - ROI is from single tabling so it's not THAT high! [/ QUOTE ] I'm amazed at you you manage to maintain both an optimism and pessimism bias at the same time.
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