what am i illustrating here?

[hamnegger]

what do these all have in common and what is my message?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t800/t1600
(Ante: t200)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t12150
UTG+1: t36772
MP1: t7198
MP2: t13560
hamnegger: t66863
Button: t12160
SB: t13823
BB: t15986

Pre-flop: (8 players) hamnegger is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hamnegger raises to t4800</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t11960</font>, 2 folds, hamnegger calls t7160 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t20760)</font>.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t27920, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t27920)


Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t27920, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t27920)


River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t27920, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t27920)


Results:
Final pot: t27920


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t800/t1600
(Ante: t200)
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t36572
UTG+1: t6998
MP1: t13360
hamnegger: t82623
Button: t12823
SB: t14186
BB: t11950

Pre-flop: (7 players) hamnegger is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hamnegger raises to t4800</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in t11750</font>, hamnegger calls t6950 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t18750)</font>.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t25700, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t25700)


Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t25700, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t25700)


River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t25700, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t25700)


Results:
Final pot: t25700


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t1500/t3000
(Ante: t400)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t63356
UTG+1: t49494
MP1: t61406
hamnegger: t142173
CO: t60463
Button: t42120
SB: t23483
BB: t39321

Pre-flop: (8 players) hamnegger is MP2 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hamnegger raises to t8000</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises all-in t23083</font>, BB folds, hamnegger calls t15083 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t37283)</font>.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t52366, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t52366)


Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t52366, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t52366)


River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t52366, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t52366)


Results:
Final pot: t52366

[wulfpacker21]

why are calling raises and raising w/ poor hands

[RobGW]

Simple, when you have the big stack in position.......

[Sherman]

Raise an amount that makes decisions later easier.

You demonstrated that by making larger than normal raises in some cases you have trivially easy calls against shoves.

Additional, although not demonstrated here, one can make smaller than usual raises with hands he or she intends to fold to shoves (by not pricing oneself in).

[hamnegger]

i was trying to show really 2 things
1)being agressive first in
more important
2) the importance of math and pot odds in decision making. I had the worst hand in all cases and knew it but win or lose it didn't matter it was correct to gamble

[Dunkman]

I'm sorry, but if you're going to try to teach the forum something you need to bring more than this.

[jgunnip]

[ QUOTE ]
I'm sorry, but if you're going to try to teach the forum something you need to bring more than this.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, use like paragraphs and stuff with complete thoughts and analysis.

Also these hands may fine or really bad but its impossible to say without reads. You need to have a plan of action for facing a 3bet/push for each player left to act and adjust your raise size for it.

[FortunaMaximus]

#1 and #2 are fine, #3 is a bit spewy.

Short version: Some raise-calls look good, but some are bad given artificially correct pot odds with weak holdings.

And, no, it isn't the raise size adjustment. A3o in MP1 turns to 84o really quickly given LP stack sizes and resteal ranges.

You raise this, you should call 0 shoves, even if calling BB is only narrowly -EV given range and "correct pot odds".

It's not noticeable spew until you lay your remaining stack vs. the other stacks on the table after you lose the hand.

Raise, fold to shove, continue to exert aggression on the table.

What I mean to say is, the raise size is not the point of contention and should be standard throughout.

Slight adjustments for position are fine, but never for hand strength reasons.

[NoahSD]

Is what you're trying to point out that you should always call a shove getting 2:1? That's a pretty standard thing that tournament players know, and it's not always true.

[FishyMcFish]

More to the point - anyone noticed he probably skanked each hand on the river!!

Your dirty rat....