2 draws, call the flop?

canuckle · #1 06-10-2007, 01:55 PM

Are we getting odds to call on the flop?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2629599314: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (20051735), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:41:17 ET - 2007/06/10
Seat 1: ThunderPuppy (1,190)
Seat 2: NotByChance007 (1,515)
Seat 3: radioboi (1,350)
Seat 4: BODYMAN69 (2,025)
Seat 5: 375 h h (830)
Seat 7: Wyndar (1,380)
Seat 8: lazzyboy2 (3,950)
Seat 9: debbieewing (1,260)
Wyndar posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to radioboi [5d 6d]
lazzyboy2 has 15 seconds left to act
lazzyboy2 raises to 80
debbieewing folds
ThunderPuppy folds
NotByChance007 folds
radioboi calls 80
BODYMAN69 folds
375 h h calls 80
Wyndar calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4d 3h]
ThunderPuppy is feeling happy
Wyndar bets 320
lazzyboy2 folds
radioboi ???

mortimo · #2 06-10-2007, 01:59 PM

Fold preflop
Get it in on the flop

RobGW · #3 06-10-2007, 02:10 PM

PUUSH, dont call. There is already $680 in the pot. Its worth trying to take it. I doubt villian folds but even if he calls you are ahead most of the time with all your outs. If he does fold you get that big pot. If you just call, the pot is huge and you dont have alot left. What happens if he bets again, now you'll be forced to fold unless you hit your draw in which case he might just check fold and you wont get paid.

canuckle · #4 06-10-2007, 02:14 PM

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PUUSH, dont call. There is already $680 in the pot. Its worth trying to take it. I doubt villian folds but even if he calls you are ahead most of the time with all your outs. If he does fold you get that big pot. If you just call, the pot is huge and you dont have alot left. What happens if he bets again, now you'll be forced to fold unless you hit your draw in which case he might just check fold and you wont get paid.

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I had a similar thought, after the hand was done, which was why I posted it. Thanks for the confirmation.

peterchi · #5 06-10-2007, 02:59 PM

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Are we getting odds to call on the flop?

Full Tilt Poker Game #2629599314: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (Turbo) (20051735), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:41:17 ET - 2007/06/10
Seat 1: ThunderPuppy (1,190)
Seat 2: NotByChance007 (1,515)
Seat 3: radioboi (1,350)
Seat 4: BODYMAN69 (2,025)
Seat 5: 375 h h (830)
Seat 7: Wyndar (1,380)
Seat 8: lazzyboy2 (3,950)
Seat 9: debbieewing (1,260)
Wyndar posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to radioboi [5d 6d]
lazzyboy2 has 15 seconds left to act
lazzyboy2 raises to 80
debbieewing folds
ThunderPuppy folds
NotByChance007 folds
radioboi calls 80
BODYMAN69 folds
375 h h calls 80
Wyndar calls 40
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4d 3h]
ThunderPuppy is feeling happy
Wyndar bets 320
lazzyboy2 folds
radioboi ???

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lol

umm yeah I fold pre-flop. You don't want to be the first cold-caller with this kind of hand because then 1) You have no idea what anyone of the rest are going to do pre-flop; if someone else re-pops it, you just wasted 80 chips, and 2) If you flop a weak hand or decent draw, you're likely going to have to be the first caller after the aggressor bets, again not knowing what anyone else is going to do.

But as is, shove this baby.

canuckle · #6 06-10-2007, 03:23 PM

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umm yeah I fold pre-flop. You don't want to be the first cold-caller with this kind of hand because then 1) You have no idea what anyone of the rest are going to do pre-flop; if someone else re-pops it, you just wasted 80 chips, and 2) If you flop a weak hand or decent draw, you're likely going to have to be the first caller after the aggressor bets, again not knowing what anyone else is going to do.

But as is, shove this baby.

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Brings up another question for me if you don't mind...how differently would you play this hand IP, say CO or Button?

peterchi · #7 06-10-2007, 04:14 PM

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Brings up another question for me if you don't mind...how differently would you play this hand IP, say CO or Button?

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If I'm reading your hand history correctly, you ARE the CO here. The issue is that UTG has opened and no one else has called, thus giving you bad position for this hand.

Do you mean if you have this hand in late position and no one has opened? You can bring it in for a raise then, if the blinds aren't too loose or too aggro. I wouldn't mind folding it either though.