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Old 06-21-2006, 04:14 AM
tessarji tessarji is offline
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Default A short 20/40 hand

Live hand.

A slightly LAGgy player raises UTG+1. I elect to 3-bet on button with 66. The BB calls 2 cold. The orginal raiser caps.

Three to the flop, K 8 5 rainbow.

BB check, UTG+1 bets.

The BB almost never check-raises, and never, ever checks with top pair.

Is a call here reasonable?
Is a raise here reasonable?
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Old 06-21-2006, 05:20 AM
luckychewy luckychewy is offline
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Default Re: A short 20/40 hand

Easy fold IMO. Even if he's laggy he's representing something big, and unless you think 66 is good I think you are probably seeing showdown the way the hand has played out thus far.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: A short 20/40 hand

I think all three options are reasonable, it just depends on UTG+1. A raise would drive out BB, since he doesn't have a king. But the bet by UTG+1 is bothersome. For him to bet into you (the pf 3-bettor) must mean business with that board, and even a hand like 99 will call you down. I fold the flop.
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: A short 20/40 hand

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I think all three options are reasonable, it just depends on UTG+1. A raise would drive out BB, since he doesn't have a king. But the bet by UTG+1 is bothersome. For him to bet into you (the pf 3-bettor) must mean business with that board, and even a hand like 99 will call you down. I fold the flop.

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I think this is the biggest problem here. I too fold.

When we 3-bet with 66, I think our primary motivation is to take it down on the large percentage of flops that he misses, or at least control the action and charge him on every street to draw to a pair. But when he caps and leads, that changes the picture a bit.
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Old 06-22-2006, 06:12 PM
Bicycles_Biatch Bicycles_Biatch is offline
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Default Re: A short 20/40 hand

I fold and loudly berate my "queens"... tell him how lucky he got "again" with AK. When he shows you AA or KK because he is so proud of his play... make mental note of how he bet/raised preflop with a monster starting hand.

when he shows you 99 because he just pulled off a "bluff"... make a mental note about how he bet the flop so that you can punish him later.

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Old 06-22-2006, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: A short 20/40 hand

you're beat here.. like 99.999999% of the time. fold.
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Old 06-22-2006, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: A short 20/40 hand

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you're beat here.. like 99.999999% of the time. fold.

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I would say I'm beat here no more than 95% of the time.

What concerns me is I am getting 17:1 pot odds, on a 22:1 shot to make a set. Making up another 5 SB on the turn and the river is not completely out of the question. There's also a third player padding the pot, the small chance that a set will not win, and the small chance that I am ahead right now.

What about calling and folding turn UI?
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