garden city 20/40 makes me real, real nervous

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look i always view conspiracy threads with a certain degree of skepticism so the last thing im going to do is take any directed at me on this subject personally.

i really debated just blowing off discussing it because ive seen people get eviscerated by mods in b&m for posting stuff like this, but ive received a few pm's and seen enough comments to something i said in the bay 101 20/40 thread to figure i should air my opinion and let the chips fall where they may.

that said, mods: please.. *please*.. if this rubs you the wrong way, just lock and delete it. i dont like spreading rumors, especially ones as slanderous as implying that a crew is working a casino with the collusion of employees, but i cant deny what ive seen and what my gut tells me, so here it goes.

background: ive been playing the 20/40 at GC for about a year and a half. to those who are familiar with the game, you know how it plays, loose wild and dangerous. baysian lags call it home and "bad" beats happen pretty regularly.

i spent tuesday night reading bg's "ace on the river", and he talks a lot about how crews *do* operate in casinos and if you feel youre catching some bad beats, perhaps its not just variance.

the next day i head over to gc to splash around the 20/40 game.

15 minutes after i sit down, one of the asian regulars almost ends up in a full on fist fight with H*, a well known regular. H*, a 6'3" middle aged white ex marine type was already flipping out because his flopped straight with two spades on the board got called down by a baysian regular who catches runner runner spades then tables ace high.. of spades. they both get 86'd about 10 minutes later, H disappears but baysian dude is back at his seat within 5 minutes.

moments later, another baysian regular sits to baysian regular #1's right, as Zheng sits down to deal with a new deck. Zheng makes me nervous; he looks like an asian william burroughs if he had been pickeled in fermaldehyde for 2000 years, and ive always regarded him as a fiscal angel of death. somehow, he always seems to put money in the regulars pockets.

this time, first hand, im the big blind and i call a raise with 84h from the new baysian regular (if youre familiar with the 20/40 at GC, this makes sense to you). flop is KT6, hearts. i bet, baysian calls, 2 other callers, i figure someone has a weak K and baysian has AhX, probably a KQJ.

turn is a J of spades. i bet, baysian raises, fold fold, i reraise, he repops, i call. river, obv, is a heart. he bets into me, i call, he tables AhQs.

so twice in 10 minutes or so we have 2 of the 3 baysian regulars at the table get four flushes on the river then table the nut ace each time.

Zheng departs soon after, a new dealer sits down, cracks open a new deck.

long story short; first hand: 4 spades on the board, last coming on the river, and the third baysian regular tables the ace of spades to crack a flopped set.


clift notes:

3 baysian regs at the table get dealt 4 flushes, each holds the respective ace, each time a new deck was used, each time very strong hands created massive pots, all within 30 minutes or so.

maybe im making a conspiracy out of absolutely nothing but a strange run of cards, i dont know, i really dont. all i know is that i really, *really* feel uncomfortable with what went down at that table, and i think its naive to rule out the possibility that someone would be motivated enough to organize some slimy crap thats been well documented as taking place all over the west coast at various casinos at various times.

also, its worth noting that GC has tremendous financial problems right now. they have outsourced all their meal services to aramark and the landlords are starting to make very public complaints about backrent being owed. for those of you who are familiar with the details of the legal problems GC had about 7 or 8 years ago, these are very relevant details as typically the employees are the first to suffer cash shortages in casinos and disgruntled casino employees are involved in the vast majority of these types of affairs.

so there you have it. you have carte blanche to mock me for my paranoia, i wont fault you for it, but i saw what i saw and i feel what i feel and frankly if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, more often than not you gotta duck on your hands...