10/20 live. Go ahead and laugh

TheSeeker03 · #1 07-08-2007, 11:23 AM

Live 10/20 game at Taj.

Everyone at the table is at least 50, except for me. The game is somewhat loose and super passive. Pre-flop is raised only about 25% of time. In 4 hours there has been only one pre-flop re-raise and that was with AA.

UTG raises, UTG+1 reraises, fold, MP1 caps. Folded to me in SB with QQ. I fold. I don't have enough to play for a set, and I am sure there is KK/AA somewhere in there. These guys are not aggressive and slow down real fast. I won't be able to get more than one value raise with a set.

Ridiculous?

What range do you call with here?

StrictlyStrategy · #2 07-08-2007, 11:25 AM

This is ok.

You're facing a 4 bet, out of position, virtually nothing in the pot.

For anyone who says anything other than fold, what's your line postflop and you can't use the word "reevaluate" anywhere.

fuzz66 · #3 07-08-2007, 12:29 PM

yea,givin the description of this table i dont mind folding here.

Man of Means · #4 07-08-2007, 01:10 PM

Based on your description I'd fold QQ

Play AA, KK obviously

Would you play something like 88-22 so you'll get in your multiple bets on multiple streets if you flop a set on a rag board? How fast do these guys slow down?

You have to get 7.5:1 ... the final pot would have to be 30+ small bets (there are 12 in there already). It's possible.

Frond · #5 07-08-2007, 01:15 PM

Easy fold for me at a super passive table with slightly older kidz. For others I think it is not such an easy fold

NH

StrictlyStrategy · #6 07-08-2007, 02:03 PM

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Based on your description I'd fold QQ

Play AA, KK obviously

Would you play something like 88-22 so you'll get in your multiple bets on multiple streets if you flop a set on a rag board? How fast do these guys slow down?

You have to get 7.5:1 ... the final pot would have to be 30+ small bets (there are 12 in there already). It's possible.

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Then why fold QQ?
You'd be better off playing QQ here than 66 because with 66 you know you're dodging at least four outs, maybe even six, which is basically a coinflip even if you hit your set.

Flop comes K62 and you go for a CR and it's already been raised, and you c 3bet and someone caps it.... your hand sucks.

Frond · #7 07-08-2007, 02:16 PM

I'd also like to see a post flop line for anyone who calls 3.5 cold here at this table with QQ. Look for a new opp

jjshabado · #8 07-08-2007, 02:51 PM

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I'd also like to see a post flop line for anyone who calls 3.5 cold here at this table with QQ. Look for a new opp

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If you're folding QQs here, I don't see how you're not folding KKs.

Whats the post flop line for KKs?

I agree with the QQs fold, I don't think its even close. The KKs call/fold is an interesting decision though.

Harv72b · #9 07-08-2007, 02:52 PM

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If you're folding QQs here, I don't see how you're not folding KKs.

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Agreed. And I also agree with folding QQ.

jjshabado · #10 07-08-2007, 02:52 PM

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Based on your description I'd fold QQ

Play AA, KK obviously

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I should have quoted this.

Why play KKs? We assume that our read is solid enough that we can put someone on KKs or AAs. If we have 2 Kings, its a lot more likely that you're up against AAs, or you're playing for a split.