$10/20 top pair + flush draw deep

[HeheOkok]

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
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Stack sizes:
HERO: $5465.77
Button: $3175.91
SB: $2148.04
BB: $3868.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) HERO is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to $80</font>, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($170, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">HERO bets $145</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $417</font>, HERO ??


Villain is 21/10/5.7. We know each other pretty well. He's a tough player and uses his wide cold calling range to make plays - a "tricky TAG" if you will. I think he's capable of slowplaying AA/KK preflop, although I doubt it since we're playing so deep. His most likely holdings are a flushdraw/combodraw, set/two pair and probably complete air like 5-10% of the times. I doubt that he's raising me with a hand like AQ/KQ.
FWIW, I'm playing like 23/18/3.5, so he knows I could have a wide range of hands here. He has definitely seen me call him down very light in earlier sessions.

What's your line?

[MDMA]

This is a very standard call, and anything else is pretty damn bad.

[8outpoker]

im flat calling and probably check folding a blank turn given his range

[HERE_2_gamble_]

call a blank turn...

hero has pos also.

[Stinger88]

I guess I play more aggressively than most in these spots. I'm almost always 3betting the flop and getting it in if he pushes. I think many draws that you are a solid favorite against, like AXss or 87ss, will push, and you're only really worried about a set since you're just about 50% equity vs bottom 2 pair. Also you may get AJ or KJ to fold which would be great, and even if they don't you're not in bad shape.

[klownage]

Raise.

[capone0]

You do realize they are almost 200 bbs deep right?

[Hobb]

2 questions:
1. why is raising to ~1350 no good?
2. is it because if BB shoves pot odds dictate a call? i think you could fold to shove, no?

[Stinger88]

lol @ folding to a shove

[IShearSheep]

2. is it because if BB shoves pot odds dictate a call? i think you could fold to shove, no?

NO.