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#1
06-17-2007, 01:27 AM
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How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
Tournament - HORSE - Razz - Level III (60/120), Ante 12, Bring-In 18 (converter)
Hero: 2,401 Seat 2: 1,830 Seat 3: 1,253 Seat 4: 2,222 Seat 5: 2,648 Seat 6: 1,820 Seat 7: 1,988 Seat 8: 1,838 3rd Street - (1.60 SB) Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___calls Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (9.90 SB) Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls 5th Street - (6.95 BB) Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___raises Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___raises___calls Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___folds Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls___calls 6th Street - (18.95 BB) Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls River - (24.95 BB) Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls Seat 7: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds Total pot: (26.95 BB) Results (in white):<font color="white"> Total pot 3234 Hero: [2h 4c 6s 6d 5d 8h 7s] (Lo: 7,6,5,4,2) Seat 5: [Ah 3s Kh Ts 2s 7c Tc] </font> 
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#2
06-17-2007, 02:00 AM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
Dude I played a $150 Razz tournament at the bike today and I can promise you this was standard from the guy on my right.
I won exactly two pots in about 90 minutes of play. Meh, got to watch the last few holes of the US open...
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#3
06-17-2007, 02:07 AM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
Well there's razz, and then there's HORSE-razz...
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#4
06-17-2007, 02:32 AM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
And here is a HORSE Stud Hi hand. An ace door card is the nuts.
Tournament - HORSE - 7 Card Stud High - Level IX (270/540), Ante 54 (converter) Seat 1: 4,316 Seat 2: 6,963 Seat 3: 8,014 Seat 4: 4,590 Seat 5: 2,978 Hero: 3,549 Seat 7: 4,796 Seat 8: 3,207 3rd Street - (1.60 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises___raises Seat 3: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls___folds Seat 5: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls___raises___calls Seat 7: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (11.60 SB) Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___raises 5th Street - (9.80 BB) Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___raises Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___calls 255 and is all-in 6th Street - (15.27 BB) Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___all-in River - (15.27 BB) Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___all-in Total pot: (15.27 BB) Results (in white):<font color="white"> Total pot 7962 Seat 2: [Kh 9d Ah Th 8s Ks 7h] (a pair of Kings) Hero: [As Ac 8d Ts 7d Tc 6c] (two pair, Aces and Tens) </font>
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#6
06-17-2007, 07:59 AM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
Is this.... razz??
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#7
06-17-2007, 12:58 PM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
Raise third for crying out loud. An Ace is gone, so you're not looking for that much action. You're on a short stack. The time to make your move is now.
Was this on Stars or Full Tilt? If it was FT, the other guy could have not been paying attention and not seen two of the dead hearts on third. He's looking at AK7 s00ted and raises. Maybe he didn't even realize that the bring-in brought it in full. He then jams with his big flush draw against T8o. Looks like you're just trying to get it all in with whatever. Not so ridiculous. But 270/540 does look more like Stars, so lol. But raise third already.
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#8
06-17-2007, 01:30 PM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
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Raise third for crying out loud. An Ace is gone, so you're not looking for that much action. You're on a short stack. The time to make your move is now. Was this on Stars or Full Tilt? If it was FT, the other guy could have not been paying attention and not seen two of the dead hearts on third. He's looking at AK7 s00ted and raises. Maybe he didn't even realize that the bring-in brought it in full. He then jams with his big flush draw against T8o. Looks like you're just trying to get it all in with whatever. Not so ridiculous. But 270/540 does look more like Stars, so lol. But raise third already. [/ QUOTE ] This was Stars. The bringin brought in full and I flat called to trap. The ace was just bullying with the door card and then probably felt pot committed and assumed I had split aces versus his 3 sort of high cards. It seems like the approach I took worked. If I reraise initially, the ace folds, although I may get action from the bringin.
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#9
06-17-2007, 02:07 PM
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Re: How bad is the razz play in a $30 MTT? (LC)
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If I reraise initially, the ace folds, although I may get action from the bringin. [/ QUOTE ] Which is all the action I want with a dead hand, especially with a short stack in a tournament. And you will get action from the bring-in. When's the last time you saw someone bring it in full and fold for one more bet?
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