4/180 Pocket 9s - call preflop raise?

[roamer590]

Should I call this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t1350)
Hero (t1490)
UTG+1 (t1330)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t1380)
MP3 (t1750)
CO (t1740)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1520)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t140</font>, SB calls t130, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero ?

[dmk]

sure, why not

[Imrahil]

I wouldn't call this because you are OOP and there are players yet to act who may also raise. He must have a good hand and the only way you can win is if you flop a set and I just don't think it's worth risking another 120 chips to try to do so.

[shag]

I think its fairly read dependant. in a 4.40 i doubt the other two guys are folding so the pot is getting fairly large and if you hit your set you should be able to stack at least one of em... I would call for set value but do not get crazy if you miss...

[reecelights]

No. There are already two people who say they are ahead of you. Plus, you are out of position and have no maneuvering room if you don't flop a set.

If you call in a $4 here, all the other limpers behind you could easily call and then without a flop of 9A9 there is no way to know your hand is good, and no way to extract.

[dmk]

er, umm, you're getting 3:1 already. if 1 or 2 limpers call, then you're getting 4:1 or 5:1 effective odds. you need to pick up like 600, 480, and 360 chips in each respective scenario to be breakeven. given the size of the pot on the flop and the odds of a continuation bet/overpair/etc, it seems like an easy call to me.

[shag]

I think not calling this in a 4.40 is a mistake. People are very passive and a re-raise after your call is unlikely. Also in these huge multi-way pots in small buy in MTT's if you hit your set you are all but guarenteed to get paid off. I cannot remember the last time I hit a huge flop in a 5-way pot like this open pushed and not get called by at least one person.

[dcviperboy]

fold, you need a set here to win and you can't continue to call past the flop if you dont flop the set. Here is the math. You have 13% chance to flop a set or 1 in 8 times. even with the implied odds of the next two limpers, you are only getting 5 to one on your money. 8:1 to win the hand, 5:1 on your money...so you tell me, is this worth it?

[dmk]

umm...the implied odds part means that if you wind up extracting that extra 360 chips or whatever is required for it to be breakeven, then its a call. anything more makes it +EV.

you're confusing pot odds and implied odds. when you have a low pocket pair, you're not playing because you have pot-odds pf, its because of the implied odds

[roamer590]

so basically what some of you guys are saying is call and fold if no 9 flops. is this really correct early on? I don't really have alot of chips...