3-betting Light at commerce ONLY

[duckman]

If the games are as passive as you say, I think cold calling more is the better option. This has the virtue of encouraging action and bad play. The 15-30 games at my local casino play this way. It works for me. I just try and restrict my cold calls to the last three seats.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

example of this light 3 betting back-firing last night when I ended up being more confused than my opponent. HG 20-40 game.

Villian is fairly passive middle aged guy who knows a little bit of strategy... plays OK post flop... but finds a way to never leave the casino with money. Personally I think he plays his made hands too passively. We have a lot of history... he likes me but always seems genuinely confused when I leave the casino with money. He's already made a comment about me being full of piss and vinegar once tonight :-)

Table is nine handed... but it's late in the night and we are playing with 3 props. For all intense purposes the props at HG's are tighter than a dolphins anus and are just waiting for live players to take their seats. One guy is sitting out.

I pretty much consider this a 5 handed game at this point... if one of the props wakes up and 3 or 4 bets me preflop... I've already decided I'm calling the one bet then dumping the flop unless I hit BIG.

Villian open raises in mid position... I"m next to act and 3 bet with K-J (suits not a factor in this hand).

Fold around to Villian who calls.

Flop: Q J 2

Check, I bet, call. I can tell he doesn't love his hand... but based on our history... I know he has just decided to go into call-down mode. We ARE going to show-down.

Here's where I get confused. Because I showed strength by being the pre-flop 3-bettor... Villian could have anything from K Q to K-10 to 10-J to A-J to 99... I know he automatically (still) assumes I have a monster everytime I 3-bet.

If I continue to bet (turn and river) and get called down by a winner I feel like an idiot... If I VB him and he turns over 10-J... I feel like a champ.


Anyways... Turn was a 2 (rainbow)

Villian checks, I bet, He calls.

River was an 7...

check, I check behind.

[andyfox]

"Villian could have anything from K Q to K-10 to 10-J to A-J to 99... I know he automatically (still) assumes I have a monster everytime I 3-bet. If I continue to bet (turn and river) and get called down by a winner I feel like an idiot... If I VB him and he turns over 10-J... I feel like a champ."

If you bet the river and get called down, he will see your hand and his assumption that you have a monster every time you 3-bet preflop will no longer be his assumption. You will have to adjust accordingly. (In this case, if called, you can say "Jack," and if he shows a queen, you can quietly muck, letting him think you had A-J.)

My river decisions in such spots depend a lot on my opponent. If he's the type to just passively check-call with top pair weak kicker, then I would tend to check behind on the river more than I would against an opponent who would have played more aggressively with top pair. Another factor is that it's good to train your opponents to feel they're going to have to commit to going all the way against you because you're going to bet all the way. If they fear that, they'll be more likely to give up on the turn (or before, even preflop) even when they have you beat; passive types don't like to play against someone they see as maniacal.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Another factor is that it's good to train your opponents to feel they're going to have to commit to going all the way against you because you're going to bet all the way. If they fear that, they'll be more likely to give up on the turn (or before, even preflop) even when they have you beat; passive types don't like to play against someone they see as maniacal.

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I really like this... I hadn't thought about pulling the Pavlov dog technique to set the table for future hands.

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you can say "Jack," and if he shows a queen, you can quietly muck, letting him think you had A-J

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This is pretty standard for me... sometimes if someone shows their pair first I even take it to the next level, lie about my hand, and say "AK misses again"

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If he's the type to just passively check-call with top pair weak kicker

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Villian falls into this category... hence my decision to check behind

[DeathDonkey]

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For all intense purposes

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Now I'm tilted.

-DeathDonkey

[MitchL]

I have trouble adjusting to the regular in that game. They ridiculously passive. Every time I am there I seem to be overplaying everything. You would think that people would be capping real light in a 4bet cap game and this always throws me. It seems that they are capping either the same range you see in a 5bet cap game or sometimes even tighter. I always run bad at Commerce, but sometimes I feel like an overaggro lagfish when I play there.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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For all intense purposes

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Now I'm tilted.

-DeathDonkey

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yeah yeah.... I'm an english donk:

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