Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?

[redfisher]

There's been a spate of threads regarding retrieving intentionally mucked hands that win the pot. By this time, everybody who reads this board should know that the hand plays if retrieved. I'm curious as to what the forum member's personal conduct is regarding this situation. Please note that there is no mitigating circumstance. You called all bets, misread your hand, intentionally folded (but in a retrievable manner), then figured out you folded the winner.

[pfapfap]

I can think of three times I've done this. The worst was when I tabled half of a PLO hand to show how I got rivered, then mucked, and as the board was being cleared, someone said "flush", at which point I retrieved my hand and tabled it. This was at a drunken stoned home game, so things were fuzzy all around. It was a rather large pot, and I first said "chop?" and then quickly regretted it, conceeding the pot. Later the next day the guy found me and gave me half, which I felt was unnecessary (but appreciated).

Two times I've folded what I realized were backdoor winners as the cards were leaving my hand, but I let them go.

[SmokeyRidesAgain]

What a [censored] nitty question.

[soah]

the poll questions are too vague

I had Axo in the blinds once, hand got checked down, I said "ace high", someone showed an ace high with a better kicker, I tossed my cards forward, then realized our kickers didn't play... I just asked the dealer if I could take my cards back (they were sitting right out in front of me next to one other player's cards, but not intermingled), he said no, and I let it go.

That's the only time I've ever mucked a hand that was entitled to a piece of the pot so I don't really see how I can vote for any of those options... there is clearly a huge grey area here and if there ever comes a time when I muck a winner I will see what my recourse is.

[chesspain]

I once folded a hand on the river at Foxwoods despite backing into a one-card straight. I tossed the cards forward, but the dealer never mucked them. After about ten seconds I quickly retrieved them, showed my winning hand, was pushed the pot, and placed my already cranky, old nit opponent on monkey tilt.

[psandman]

I see nothing wrong with picking them back up, but if the dealer mucks them first, I won't blame the dealer, I'll blame myself.

[soah]

actually in my example I think it was another player at the table who pointed out that the kicker didn't play, which is why I didn't make much effort to retrieve my hand... I was really tired and probably wasn't going to catch it on my own. I should have just taken the 2 seconds to table my hand instead of just announcing it.

[TomTom]

I usually let my cards speak unless I'm intentionally denying some info on what draw I mised, but live I only play donky LHE.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

If you properly protect your hand INCLUDING ON THE RIVER then the question is irrelevant. IRRELEVANT. NO "WHAT IF" SCENARIOS, NOTHING, IRRELEVANT.

I believe I accidentally mucked the winner by misreading my hand once about 9 years ago, costing myself a moderately sized pot in a 6-12 game at the mirage. But there was no "what if scenario" because the dealer did their job and mucked my cards as soon as I tossed them in face down.

The underlying problems with all these threads (and this one too) are as follows:

1. WPT trained idiots learn everything useless and irritating about poker and SKIP ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF. Thus they can tell you it's 220:1 that you'll get aces before the flop, they can pointlessly stall and waste everyone's time stupidly imitating the major jerkoffs on television, but they have no clue how to behave, what the proper ettiquette is, or how to protect their own hand. To all these people who read this: TURN OFF YOUR FRIGGIN' TELEVISION.

2. Dealers don't know diddly about poker and don't care to learn because they are just jumping on the poker bandwagon looking for easy money. Also included here are the morons running the cardrooms and casinos who also blindly jump on the bandwagon without thinking, caring, or bothering to make sure their employees act professionally.

So just PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN' HAND ALREADY and forget the survey.

Al

[youtalkfunny]

An example of a poll that can't possibly be accurate.

"Talk is cheap". A lot of people are SAYING they'd let it go, but I imagine that many of them would ACT differently, if put to the test for real money.