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Old 11-29-2007, 06:28 AM
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Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

he seems aggro enough to bet 3 streets with AT, so i call
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

I am surprised that you'd fold the river. If you are to fold the river, raise the flop are turn and see where you stand. As played, calling the river sounds very standard.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:37 AM
therockofgibraltar therockofgibraltar is offline
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Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

I think this is marginal call but I will make it b/c of two reasons:

1) you have under repped your hand so he might be firing missed overs (at least in some cases)
2) he is aggro enough to be betting TP (not even TPTK).

Against a tight range: 33,99+,AT river call is neutral (need ~30, have ~30). Add some other TP hands (KT, QT), maybe ui AK sometimes, and it is a clear +ev.

I call.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:39 AM
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Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

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Why do you keep wanting to donk bet into him? Just let him keep betting and call down. I think by the river, he'll have worse tens enough to make the call.

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I guess because I'd check behind AK most turns looking to hit on the river, but bet when I had QQ+, AT. Given his AF I can see he's firing turn + river with more than me. As OP played I'd definitely call the river.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

I'm rarely getting to showdown like this, but call as played.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:41 AM
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Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

In practice I'd probably call just cause I'm a station and I have an overpair! But when I sit back and think about it I'm not sure it isn't a fold. We have to be good here 30% of the time. I know our hand is underrepped, but it's pretty apparent we have something so I doubt he has air all that often. Maybe 10% of the time at most. What hands is a 16/12 value betting here that we beat... A10 and mayybe K10. His line is also consistent with QQ/KK/AA/sets/backdoor flushes. I'm just not sure we're good enough here. I doubt it makes a huge difference either way though and either calling/folding isn't a huge mistake. One thing that I feel is a big misconception is people thinking they have to call river just because they called turn and a pretty good river card hit. I think you're ahead of his range on the turn, but not so much on river, and I think the fact that the backdoor flush hit may play a small part in this.
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