Gonzo flop in 3 way reraised pot

[TheRempel]

I actually think the Jd was one of the best possible cards for me.

It's not really a dry sidepot situation as any hand he folds almost definitely would have odds to call after coldcalling the flop so betting out increases my EV quite a lot, especially when he has a straight draw that will chop with my a lot of the time.

[BadBenOni]

The main value in potting is he may fold a higher flush draw,
but there is a lot of risk too.

I still like to check, dunno what to do after a PSB.

[cmyr]

i think the bet is mandatory, if he at this point is deciding to play a made two-pair type hand he's got to have raised the flop with it. The call puts him firmly on a draw, maybe a straight draw, and I think potting is mandatory. The only way checking is good is if he might bet (he won't) in which case you can call keeping him in the pot when you are likely to win the sidepot with TT if you both blank.

[Big Dave D]

The term dry sidepot almost never makes much sense in a cash game.

As to the hand, I don't like potting the turn. It looks too strong and may make him make a hero call. Make a chunky value bet with your pretend full house, probably 3/4 pot.

gl

bdd

[Hattifnatt]

def c/r pot on flop, cant see why you want UTG+1 in the pot, OOP with money left to bet with lots of non-nut outs. also if you c/r pot and he decides to call you are almost all-in and its never a disaster.

[chucky]

Read the OP's description of UTG+1, then it becomes clear.

[Hattifnatt]

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Read the OP's description of UTG+1, then it becomes clear.

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I read it obv and still hate the min-raise given circumstances.

[TheRempel]

Dave: The pot is $600 on the turn and he has $200 left so there's not really any wiggle room as to bet size in my opinion. If he had $400 left I would definitely make a $250 or so 'value bet'.

[TheRempel]

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def c/r pot on flop, cant see why you want UTG+1 in the pot, OOP with money left to bet with lots of non-nut outs. also if you c/r pot and he decides to call you are almost all-in and its never a disaster.

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If UTG+1 has a big flush draw I am not likely ever to get him to fold anyway, so by making the minraise on the flop I allow myself to make a small mistake on the turn when a heart comes (calling or betting $200 getting 4:1). This is balanced by the likelyhood that he will fold when the board pairs, since my hand certainly looks like a set or two pair.

Results: I put him in on the turn, he quickly folded, river was the 7d and ship it to me. CO had AhAQh4. I thought it was an interesting hand because the stack sizes and playing styles warranted a very weird play for me; minraising a LP player all in with UTG left to act for half his stack when he is very likely to call.

[RoundTower]

I would check raise the flop (big) regardless of the action, I think there is some value in getting the guy to fold. I think shoving the turn is good, you might clean up some outs or even fold out a better hand.