lead or c/r riv?

[jfish]

ok cool i led 370.

[g-p]

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wow, this is like the most classic CR in the history of the world, i don't evn know how you could think about leading

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unknow mtt players dont bluff much here and they never try to squeeze value out of TT or something, so might as well bet and hope he calls with Ax thinking u had qt

[apestyles]

I've been thinking alot about the types of situations where a river check raise for value is the best line. What kinds of river cards combined with previous action etc. I think thats an area of my game I can significantly improve, I'm a tourney donk so I'm not often that deep. I would actually like to see a large discussion on that and if someone could point me that direction I'd appreciate it.

That being said, I don't think this is the type of river you check raise. There isn't a missed flush draw, and he doesn't seem good enough to value bet a J with that scary 9 out there. His most likely holding is small-midpair in my opinion (although I have a hard time analyzing the play of anyone who minraises open limpers) and he checks that behind 100 percent. If he's the type to bluff the river with a missed draw he's also probably the type to bluff the turn with QT, 78 etc.

Lead here and hope to get looked up by the numerous hands (22-88, TT, Jx) that call but dont value bet rather than check raise his very few total air hands. There is also the possibility of him having a better 9. What hands exactly do you expect him to bet call c/r here?

[jfish]

nice post apestyles.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

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wow, this is like the most classic CR in the history of the world, i don't evn know how you could think about leading

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bro u are completely wrong in an MTT the guy is checking back like 95% of the time here.

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touranments are stupid and make no sense

[Ship Ship McGipp]

it's like everoyne tries harder to play worse

[gobboboy]

One thing to add to apestyles' post is that even though people will valuebet thin a lot less in tournaments, they're MUCH less likely to fold to a check/raise once they bet.