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Old 11-29-2007, 07:14 PM
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So much for the whole "When a LAG finally gets his stack in, he usually has the goods" motto...

Just fold flop. He's a little nitty to be bluffing here a lot and he certainly isn't the type to fold an Ace if he took this line with it.

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Are we translating these stats as him making moves far less frequently than most? Do you guys see what I'm saying when I say that his line is ehhh b/c his range for c/ring a legit hand is squarely 88/22 and FD's, as 2pr and likely big aces are not is his range as he is likely 3betting these.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:23 PM
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sorry paul. linky?

alot of theory posts have ideas stolen from others

and i also like sometimes calling with AK/AQ against a button open. whenever i say that i get people saying that i should always 3bet these hands, which seems ridiculous to me

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can't find it. some guy who coaches i guess, made a post about getting your won$ without show down stat up. And then said more or less to start check-rasing flops and float more and what not. It was a long post.

So i gave an example, where check-raising a lag buttons open on an A high dry flop would be +EV as long as Villain folds everything less than a pair of Aces.

it's actually very basic stuff.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:57 PM
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That was my post which i stole from eldiable or whoever. and fwiw, you're all welcome.

to be honest, it's better ot check-raise on K high boards because nits have less kings in their range...and i'm totally serious.

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This is the original el diablo post from msnl
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...rue#Post6345942

and yes this works great
1. as a bluff v most people; and
2. as a great way to stack aggros who steal with weak aces and then won't believe you
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:57 PM
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So much for the whole "When a LAG finally gets his stack in, he usually has the goods" motto...

Just fold flop. He's a little nitty to be bluffing here a lot and he certainly isn't the type to fold an Ace if he took this line with it.

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Are we translating these stats as him making moves far less frequently than most? Do you guys see what I'm saying when I say that his line is ehhh b/c his range for c/ring a legit hand is squarely 88/22 and FD's, as 2pr and likely big aces are not is his range as he is likely 3betting these.

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Think you need a read to believe a nit will c/r an a-hi flop with air though, otherwise he still has set/fd/2-pair 100%. I don't think a guy like this will c/r the flop often at all without a read tbh. And with a fd he'll either push our call given your 3-bet size.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:59 PM
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call, $65 on turn, but don't do this to me at my tables or you'll regret it
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:02 PM
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call, $65 on turn, but don't do this to me at my tables or you'll regret it

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If you're going to make a play this is the way to, yup.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:22 PM
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So much for the whole "When a LAG finally gets his stack in, he usually has the goods" motto...

Just fold flop. He's a little nitty to be bluffing here a lot and he certainly isn't the type to fold an Ace if he took this line with it.

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Are we translating these stats as him making moves far less frequently than most? Do you guys see what I'm saying when I say that his line is ehhh b/c his range for c/ring a legit hand is squarely 88/22 and FD's, as 2pr and likely big aces are not is his range as he is likely 3betting these.

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Think you need a read to believe a nit will c/r an a-hi flop with air though, otherwise he still has set/fd/2-pair 100%. I don't think a guy like this will c/r the flop often at all without a read tbh.

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0 over 900 hands.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:38 PM
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call, $65 on turn, but don't do this to me at my tables or you'll regret it

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So if villain bets turn, you fold? (We are IP).

Seems bad, but then I have no idea how often players like this follow up their bluffs on the turn. If they never do, this is a great line.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:41 PM
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I think this is okay, and I'd call a push.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:42 PM
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And to add he's probably usually folding pocket 2's preflop anyway. If he calls here I'd shutdown on a non 6 turn.
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