"If you call the turn you have to call river" theory Q

[ikestoys]

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If you fold the river you should just fold the turn

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flip the aggressor in this hand, get raised on the turn and fold the river.

then this applies. this hand doesn't

[MichaelBolton777]

i think the other hand (88 500 bb deep) is a better example of when you have to decide on turn. in that one, a passive villain 3 bets you oop leaving himself less than a PSB to get in on the river. Almost always he is pushing riv.

In your example, it seems dependant on villain's 3 barreling capability. Not sure what the best default is at 1/2. On Stars, the play seems generally passive, and i dont hate a fold to the 3rd barrel in your example (in my game). Definitely cant be optimal, though, as a tough player would run over you. I just dont see many of the weakish tags i play against 3 barreling that board w/ A10.

Was the post about folding A10s serious? Are any of you guys folding that from the bb? how about A5s- where is the cutoff?

[AlanDyer]

in my opinion a lot of posters on 2+2 parrot lines that make no sense

like 'you're either way ahead, way behind'
or: 'no better hands will fold, no worse hands will call'

its gibberish, they heard someone good say it so they post it every chance they get. obviously there are spots where it applies, but..

[MichaelBolton777]

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in my opinion a lot of posters on 2+2 parrot lines that make no sense

like 'you're either way ahead, way behind'
or: 'no better hands will fold, no worse hands will call'

its gibberish, they heard someone good say it so they post it every chance they get. obviously there are spots where it applies, but..

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well, im not sure about that, but in the hand OP quoted, he's definitely either way ahead or way behind

[clowntable]

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IMO "If you call the turn you have to call river" sucks as strat advice. I think it should be "don't call the turn unless you know what to do on the river."

Usually that can be interpolated as dont call unless you can call because if you cant call on the river then bet-fold is usually a better line on the turn than check-call. V gets maximum play with his positional advantage when you check-call the turn, and if he understands this then he will be betting the river lightly knowing you will have to fold. So you end up folding the best hand more often, which totally sucks.

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My exact thoughts.

[tubasteve]

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your hand is too weak preflop to play oop

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stop posting. not only is this not relevant, but youre wrong.

[ValarMorghulis]

I think BobboFitos said somewhere that if he calls turn with a made hand he'll (nearly) always call river if all the draws miss. But he plays high stakes.

I think theoretically speaking, it's very bad to call turn and fold river a lot. You are often giving away a lot of money to the worse hand if villain is a good aggressive player.

But at SSNL, most TAGs don't make big bluffs. They are a product of a style designed to beat calling station donks. So they never fire the third barrel. So against them the line may often be the best one.

[GAL]

The hand you posted really makes your question confusing.

If the question is "If you call the turn WITH A MADE HAND you have to call the river ALWAYS" correct?, then the answer is no.

[Red Shell]

as others have said your hand isnt the greatest example. the call the turn, have to call the river is more of a limit line which came about after ed miller book where most limit players where trying to save bets by making "good" river laydowns. give alot of people played limit before no limit it kinda came across with it. its obv wrong for no limit because you have different bet sizes which usually mean different things and you can adjust based on this.

[Keyser.]

I admittedly couldn't think of a very good example when I was writing this, so if someone else can think of a better one please do.