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Old 11-18-2007, 07:51 PM
sakrei sakrei is offline
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Default NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

Stats 31.3/13.9/2.7, has never check raised. I am a noob at bluffing, trying to learn.
Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: $44
BB: $116
UTG: $70.90
UTG+1: $51
UTG+2: $54.95
Hero (MP1): $70.25
MP2: $29.35
CO: $30.40
BTN: $17.10

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, 3 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, SB calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7.50</font>, SB calls $7.50

River: ($26.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, SB folds

Results: $26.50 Pot ($1.25 Rake)
Hero mucked Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and WON $25.25 (+$12.25 NET)
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:14 PM
TheBad TheBad is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

I check behind this river. You must have a very aggressive image for this to work.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:52 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

I always fold this preflop from MP.

KQo is nothing but trouble at a FR table.

It is not a raising hand. And it's not limping hand. It's a folding hand. Raise 78s here, but fold KQo, QJo, KJo, etc.

As played, it looks like you found a chaser who missed his flush draw. So, nice hand. You represented at least an Ace-good kicker. You consistently represented it on the flop and turn. Then, given your action up to the river, another bet is the only way you can win. The last thing you need is for a guy with a pair+FD who missed his flush and wins the pot because you checked behind on the river and his little pair is good. For example, a passive player might play 9sTs this way and fold at the river.

But in general, you will lose more than you win playing this hand from MP at a FR game.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:26 PM
pokerscaresme pokerscaresme is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

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I always fold this preflop from MP.

KQo is nothing but trouble at a FR table.

It is not a raising hand. And it's not limping hand. It's a folding hand. Raise 78s here, but fold KQo, QJo, KJo, etc.

As played, it looks like you found a chaser who missed his flush draw. So, nice hand. You represented at least an Ace-good kicker. You consistently represented it on the flop and turn. Then, given your action up to the river, another bet is the only way you can win. The last thing you need is for a guy with a pair+FD who missed his flush and wins the pot because you checked behind on the river and his little pair is good. For example, a passive player might play 9sTs this way and fold at the river.

But in general, you will lose more than you win playing this hand from MP at a FR game.

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QFT
overplaying KQ/s is definitely the biggest leak I've plugged.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:28 PM
SABR42 SABR42 is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

Preflop is fine. You guys are nits.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:29 PM
Chargers In 07 Chargers In 07 is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

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Preflop is fine. You guys are nits.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree. When I played 6m I opened this hand UTG and people are worse postflop and bigger nits in full ring. This is just like playing UTG in a 6m game JMO.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:30 PM
ship_it_trebek ship_it_trebek is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

As long as you don't get married to TPGK, I see no reason to fold KQ from MP.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:51 PM
Brimstead Brimstead is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

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Preflop is fine. You guys are nits.

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I agree. When I played 6m I opened this hand UTG and people are worse postflop and bigger nits in full ring. This is just like playing UTG in a 6m game JMO.

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As long as you don't get married to TPGK, I see no reason to fold KQ from MP.[quote/]
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:54 PM
Johnes Benjamin Johnes Benjamin is offline
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Default Re: NL50 KQo did i fire too much?

If did I fire too much is referring to the bet sizing on river then no, absolutely not. If you are going to bluff then you have to bet at least this much.

I would often check this turn b/c it is not smart to try and bluff this guy off an A, which is obviously a big part of his range, and if he has a draw that misses/peeled one with PP you can take it down after he checks river anyway.
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