|
|
#81
04-11-2007, 10:48 AM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And of course the only possible solution to this problem is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] AFAIK AC is the only system where everyone has the bear the costs of their economic decisions. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because that could NEVER EVER happen under terrible, evil government. [/ QUOTE ] Government operates by definition by externalizing its costs, so no, it couldn't. 
|
|
#82
04-11-2007, 10:57 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Umm, it's voluntary, you can stop doing service with some protection agency if you don't like it. [/ QUOTE ] But you will still need protection, so its not really voluntary is it. [/ QUOTE ] That's like saying that since you need food, buying food is not voluntary. Is your stomach "coercing" you into buying food? [ QUOTE ] In fact it's not unlike a tax. [/ QUOTE ] Come on. In the case of a tax, a monopolist claims that in order to protect you and your property from invasions and expropriations it must invade and expropriate your property. In the case of voluntary aquisition of protective services you make the decision that you need to protect your property from invasions and expropriations and you choose from among competing suppliers as to which you will patronize and which you will not patronize. What you're saying is that because you have to pay to purchase a security system, buying a security system is not unlike being mugged.
|
|
#83
04-11-2007, 11:07 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] the 'barrel of a gun' is a reference to the way government cooerces people into 'voluntarilly' paying taxes, ect. YOu want to force people to go along with your morality even if they are not harming others or themselves because you invent cute definitions of what is harming others. [/ QUOTE ] Again, your "reference" is pointless until you accept that you can "coerce" people into doing things without using any physical force whatsoever. Then we can try to have a discussion about something that bears resemblance to reality. [/ QUOTE ] Lol. So you are incapable of having a rational discussion until others accept your pet definitions of words? The only reason that you could possibly need to expand the definition of "coercion" to include things that are not the use of force or the threat of force is to justify the use and threat of force to achieve your own ends when others disagree with them. You should really have a chat with Arfinn Madsen about this. At least he is honest about his willingness to force others to his will.
|
|
#84
04-11-2007, 11:22 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And of course the only possible solution to this problem is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] AFAIK AC is the only system where everyone has the bear the costs of their economic decisions. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because that could NEVER EVER happen under terrible, evil government. [/ QUOTE ] How much is Bush paying out of his own pocket for the war in Iraq? Or the members of congress who voted for it? Who's paying for the bridges to nowhere? [/ QUOTE ] Can you point to the provisions in the Constitution that require any of these things?
|
|
#85
04-11-2007, 11:22 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And of course the only possible solution to this problem is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] AFAIK AC is the only system where everyone has the bear the costs of their economic decisions. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because that could NEVER EVER happen under terrible, evil government. [/ QUOTE ] Government operates by definition by externalizing its costs, so no, it couldn't. [/ QUOTE ] So I guess we have to take your word on that?
|
|
#87
04-11-2007, 11:48 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And of course the only possible solution to this problem is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] AFAIK AC is the only system where everyone has the bear the costs of their economic decisions. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because that could NEVER EVER happen under terrible, evil government. [/ QUOTE ] How much is Bush paying out of his own pocket for the war in Iraq? Or the members of congress who voted for it? Who's paying for the bridges to nowhere? [/ QUOTE ] Can you point to the provisions in the Constitution that require any of these things? [/ QUOTE ] Purple monkey dishwasher? What difference does it make if these things are "required" or not? Those making the decisions are not the ones paying for those decisions. And it's the same whether the expenditures are "required" or not. But in a sense, you're right. There CAN be a government where everyone bears the cost of their own economic decisions. It's the government of ME. I make decisions for ME and I pay for them.
|
|
#88
04-11-2007, 11:54 AM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
Taxation = externalizing costs. I'd love to see your plans for a government that doesn't tax. [/ QUOTE ] While taxation can be used to externalize costs, it is not the same thing.
|
|
#89
04-11-2007, 12:43 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Taxation = externalizing costs. I'd love to see your plans for a government that doesn't tax. [/ QUOTE ] While taxation can be used to externalize costs, it is not the same thing. [/ QUOTE ]  Explain it to us, please.
|
|
#90
04-11-2007, 01:45 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: AC and power
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And of course the only possible solution to this problem is anarchy. [/ QUOTE ] AFAIK AC is the only system where everyone has the bear the costs of their economic decisions. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because that could NEVER EVER happen under terrible, evil government. [/ QUOTE ] How much is Bush paying out of his own pocket for the war in Iraq? Or the members of congress who voted for it? Who's paying for the bridges to nowhere? [/ QUOTE ] Can you point to the provisions in the Constitution that require any of these things? [/ QUOTE ] The goalposts just got blown off the field entirely.
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
