Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 1.

BobboFitos · #1 08-30-2007, 02:20 AM

1. You raise in the CO with A4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to 7, 1/2 blinds with 250 behind. Villain calls you. Blinds fold.

Flop (17) comes K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain shows you he has KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. (You know he has that hand, he does not know you know his hand)

a. Do you bet?
b. If so, why?
c. If so, how much?
d. If you bet, how do you proceed on the turn, assuming he calls?

2. You raise in the CO with K8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to 7, 1/2 blinds with 250 behind. Villain calls you. Blinds fold.

Flop (17) comes K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain shows you he has KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. (You know he has that hand, he does not know you know his hand)

a. Do you bet?
b. If so, why?
c. If so, how much?
d. If you bet, how do you proceed on the turn, assuming he calls?

Fonkey123 · #2 08-30-2007, 02:27 AM

I'd probably double barrel the A4ss with standard bets, and with the K8 I'd bet the flop, and c/r turn given that I'm still ahead.

orange · #3 08-30-2007, 02:28 AM

odds...something i'm not good at. i'll skip this one :P

keikiwai · #4 08-30-2007, 03:29 AM

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odds...something i'm not good at. i'll skip this one :P

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the two times and four times rule really helped me get odds at the table

basically double your outs is the percent to hit on the next street, quadruple your outs is the percent to hit after two more streets

so a FD is 9 outs, if you have a FD on the flop you're 18% to hit on the turn and 36% to hit by the river

gut shot is 4 outs so 8% and 16%

etc.

luckybacon · #5 08-30-2007, 03:34 AM

so much of this depends on the opponent i think but ill try.

1. bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river.

2. bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river

Casper05 · #6 08-30-2007, 03:44 AM

1)knowing his hand, I'd ch/c flop in Hand 1 because I think he is very very likely to check the flop because of his weak kicker. I also think he will check turn behind if we call his flop bet. If we bet flop and check turn, I think an unknown is very likely to fire the turn large and we will have to fold.

I think a double barrel is ok here, but unknowns dont fold enough so I think he is just as likely to call down as he is to fold the turn...and we have to invest a ton more money to see IF he will fold.

2) Knowing his hand...this is an easy bet, bet, bet...depending on the cards that come, obv.

ttgirl · #7 08-30-2007, 02:28 AM

i bet flop to build the flop since we're 50/50 at this point and will not get much action in an essentially empty pot. i bet about 15, but take a free card on the turn if we dont improve.

2) i bet 15 again for balance purposes. i then double barrel the turn unless it is a 9 or 10 for value since most people arent calling with k10 to fold top pair in a medium sized pot on a drawy board.

i should probably have the same line for both, but it seems like villain is likely to call our double barrels in both hands, so why not bet only when we have an equity edge? im curious as to what you do in both cases.

BobboFitos · #8 08-30-2007, 02:32 AM

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i bet flop to build the flop since we're 50/50 at this point and will not get much action in an essentially empty pot. i bet about 15, but take a free card on the turn if we dont improve.

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I feel the need to correct you. A4s is a dog, 45-55 to KT on that flop. Also, we are OOP, thereby giving us the option of taking a freebie nonexistent, unless villain obliges us.

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2) i bet 15 again for balance purposes. i then double barrel the turn unless it is a 9 or 10 for value since most people arent calling with k10 to fold top pair in a medium sized pot on a drawy board.

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Pretend balancing does not matter. We are looking for the optimal line, especially given we know what he has.

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i should probably have the same line for both, but it seems like villain is likely to call our double barrels in both hands, so why not bet only when we have an equity edge? im curious as to what you do in both cases.

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Why should you have the same line for both? Elaborate. The second thing you mentioned seems much more dead on.

steel108 · #9 08-30-2007, 02:37 AM

I think reads are important here. Vs a solid player I'm firing all 3 streets big, 80% pot, (doubt he calls the turn though) in hand 1.

In hand 2 I would play it the same way as Hand 1. I'm not very creative. Wouldn't it be nice to have complete information [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

frankpark9 · #10 08-30-2007, 02:41 AM

1. it depends on the villian... how aggreive is he? is he the type who raise since there's a flush draw out there? most reg will raise on that flop if you bet. so i would probably check call... and maybe lead the turn for a small amount if i miss my draw. it all depends on the read.

2. i would definatly bet this flop, most ppl wont' fold tp to a c-bet if he raises you then i would just flat call and CR on him on the turn if a blank comes but i would definatly bet this flop.