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Old 10-10-2007, 02:22 PM
BoerfSt BoerfSt is offline
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Default 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

The 2 villains are very loose and aggro players. But could folding here be correct?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BB: $41.10
UTG: $38.20
MP: $25.35
CO: $55.05
BTN: $23.10
Hero (SB): $24.75

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, BB calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.25

Flop: ($5.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $39.35 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $21.35 and is All-In

Results: $52.95 Pot ($52.95 Rake)
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:24 PM
whyzze whyzze is offline
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

I am never folding here. I think you see 1010 and a flushdraw more often than hands that are ahead of you.
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

BTN is short so no worries there and BB would probably never play a set that fast so you're good
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:54 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

ok thank you guys.
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Old 10-10-2007, 02:59 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

you misplayed it preflop imo....after BTN raise, pop it to at least 2.50 OOP
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Old 10-10-2007, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

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BTN is short so no worries there and BB would probably never play a set that fast so you're good

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BTN is not short, effective stacks are close to 100bb's. As much as I dont like the call in front of you, I think you will see enough midpairs and flush draws here worth calling off the remaining portion of your stack. Your getting 3-1 on your call here and a good chance your still ahead.
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:48 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

I agree, the thing is BTN made alot of these minraises and then folds after re-raise.So I didnt want to scare him away and getting BB along the ride would be an 'extra'
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Old 10-10-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

I dont know if im good enough to fold here, but somebody always shows me 22 and xxh here. 2 limp calls and then insanity on that board. Bleh. Reload I suppose.
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Old 10-10-2007, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

Every time I've been in situations like this (where I was iffy of having the best hand), I've rarely ever had the best hand, even against loose/aggressive players. Now granted I haven't put in these situations many times, but the 6-ish times it has happened I've MAYBE only had the best hand once.

The most recent time I folded my OP (I think it was Queens) only to see a set vs a short stacks top pair, and I was very happy with my fold.

It's tough, but I definitely might consider folding here. Everyone is saying call call, but this hand can be a tough one against only one opponent. How many times have you seen this happen with villain showing you a set when you called his push with AA/KK. Why does it change if there are 2 opponents? Way I see it is that there's twice the chance someone has a set/two pair (though 2pair unlikely on this board)

I'm not saying it's an instant fold, but don't be surprised if you're beat here. If you're very confident with your reads that these villains are capable of pushing with OC/flush draws, then this is purely read based and a call would be fine.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: 25nl: KK all in and call in front of us on 9 high flop

You only need to be good here 25% of the time (54:18 or so).

Snap it off.
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