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#31
11-10-2007, 03:36 PM
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Re: Pro-Life is Liberterian
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[ QUOTE ] the court simply states that it is unconstitutional for a government to MANDATE what a person can do with their own body. How is this legislating? [/ QUOTE ] Because the Constitution was designed to restrict the federal government, not the state governments. [ QUOTE ] Remember those who wish to say Roe v Wade is unconstitutional are stating that the constitution gives us NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY!! We are not just talking about abortion here. I can think of nothing more closely tied to liberty than privacy. [/ QUOTE ] Complete BS. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, but there is definitely a right to privacy. The reason RvW is unconstitutioanl is because it restricts the states and the Constitution simply doesn't restrict the states in this way. If there had been a federal law banning abortion and the Supreme Court rules that unconstitutional, they would have been correct. [/ QUOTE ] First, maybe you should brush up on the 10th amendment. The states have power that is neither prohibited by the constitution or handed to federal. The court says that right of privacy is being infringed upon by State LAW banning abortion, this is PROHIBITED by the constitution. As far as to right of privacy, those on the Supreme COurt who would like to overturn Roe v Wade (Scalia, Thomas) would strongly disagree with you there 
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#32
11-10-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: Pro-Life is Liberterian
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the court simply states that it is unconstitutional for a government to MANDATE what a person can do with their own body. How is this legislating? [/ QUOTE ] Because the Constitution was designed to restrict the federal government, not the state governments. [ QUOTE ] Remember those who wish to say Roe v Wade is unconstitutional are stating that the constitution gives us NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY!! We are not just talking about abortion here. I can think of nothing more closely tied to liberty than privacy. [/ QUOTE ] Complete BS. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, but there is definitely a right to privacy. The reason RvW is unconstitutioanl is because it restricts the states and the Constitution simply doesn't restrict the states in this way. If there had been a federal law banning abortion and the Supreme Court rules that unconstitutional, they would have been correct. [/ QUOTE ] First, maybe you should brush up on the 10th amendment. The states have power that is neither prohibited by the constitution or handed to federal. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. [ QUOTE ] The court says that right of privacy is being infringed upon by State LAW banning abortion, this is PROHIBITED by the constitution. [/ QUOTE ] Please point out the section of the Constitution that prohibits the states from violating rights.
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#33
11-10-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: Ron Paul - clear on abortion
The fetus doesn't get there out of thin air. Excluding the fringe case of rape, the women has to engage in voluntary activity to get pregnant.
Your arguement is akin to someone eating a hamburger because they like the taste, and then complaining that they now have fat on thier gut. The fetus, by contrast, didn't make any choices. The fetus is just there. It didn't choose to be in this womans womb, the woman choose to create him.
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#34
11-10-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: Pro-Life is Liberterian
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the court simply states that it is unconstitutional for a government to MANDATE what a person can do with their own body. How is this legislating? [/ QUOTE ] Because the Constitution was designed to restrict the federal government, not the state governments. [ QUOTE ] Remember those who wish to say Roe v Wade is unconstitutional are stating that the constitution gives us NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY!! We are not just talking about abortion here. I can think of nothing more closely tied to liberty than privacy. [/ QUOTE ] Complete BS. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, but there is definitely a right to privacy. The reason RvW is unconstitutioanl is because it restricts the states and the Constitution simply doesn't restrict the states in this way. If there had been a federal law banning abortion and the Supreme Court rules that unconstitutional, they would have been correct. [/ QUOTE ] First, maybe you should brush up on the 10th amendment. The states have power that is neither prohibited by the constitution or handed to federal. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. [ QUOTE ] The court says that right of privacy is being infringed upon by State LAW banning abortion, this is PROHIBITED by the constitution. [/ QUOTE ] Please point out the section of the Constitution that prohibits the states from violating rights. [/ QUOTE ] I love your question begging, instead of pointing out the obvious, I will ask you to please reread previous post.
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#35
11-10-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: Ron Paul - clear on abortion
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The fetus, by contrast, didn't make any choices. The fetus is just there. It didn't choose to be in this womans womb, the woman choose to create him. [/ QUOTE ] No, she chose to have sex, not to create a foetus, otherwise she wouldn't want to get it out of her body.
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#36
11-10-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: Pro-Life is Liberterian
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the court simply states that it is unconstitutional for a government to MANDATE what a person can do with their own body. How is this legislating? [/ QUOTE ] Because the Constitution was designed to restrict the federal government, not the state governments. [ QUOTE ] Remember those who wish to say Roe v Wade is unconstitutional are stating that the constitution gives us NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY!! We are not just talking about abortion here. I can think of nothing more closely tied to liberty than privacy. [/ QUOTE ] Complete BS. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, but there is definitely a right to privacy. The reason RvW is unconstitutioanl is because it restricts the states and the Constitution simply doesn't restrict the states in this way. If there had been a federal law banning abortion and the Supreme Court rules that unconstitutional, they would have been correct. [/ QUOTE ] First, maybe you should brush up on the 10th amendment. The states have power that is neither prohibited by the constitution or handed to federal. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. [ QUOTE ] The court says that right of privacy is being infringed upon by State LAW banning abortion, this is PROHIBITED by the constitution. [/ QUOTE ] Please point out the section of the Constitution that prohibits the states from violating rights. [/ QUOTE ] I love your question begging, instead of pointing out the obvious, I will ask you to please reread previous post. [/ QUOTE ] In other words, you can't point out where in the Constitution this is said.
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#37
11-10-2007, 04:03 PM
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Re: Ron Paul - clear on abortion
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[ QUOTE ] The fetus, by contrast, didn't make any choices. The fetus is just there. It didn't choose to be in this womans womb, the woman choose to create him. [/ QUOTE ] No, she chose to have sex, not to create a foetus, otherwise she wouldn't want to get it out of her body. [/ QUOTE ] This is like saying that someone chose to play poker but they didn't choose to lose. While technically true, it's the risk you take.
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#38
11-10-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: Pro-Life is Liberterian
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the court simply states that it is unconstitutional for a government to MANDATE what a person can do with their own body. How is this legislating? [/ QUOTE ] Because the Constitution was designed to restrict the federal government, not the state governments. [ QUOTE ] Remember those who wish to say Roe v Wade is unconstitutional are stating that the constitution gives us NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY!! We are not just talking about abortion here. I can think of nothing more closely tied to liberty than privacy. [/ QUOTE ] Complete BS. Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, but there is definitely a right to privacy. The reason RvW is unconstitutioanl is because it restricts the states and the Constitution simply doesn't restrict the states in this way. If there had been a federal law banning abortion and the Supreme Court rules that unconstitutional, they would have been correct. [/ QUOTE ] First, maybe you should brush up on the 10th amendment. The states have power that is neither prohibited by the constitution or handed to federal. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. [ QUOTE ] The court says that right of privacy is being infringed upon by State LAW banning abortion, this is PROHIBITED by the constitution. [/ QUOTE ] Please point out the section of the Constitution that prohibits the states from violating rights. [/ QUOTE ] I love your question begging, instead of pointing out the obvious, I will ask you to please reread previous post. [/ QUOTE ] In other words, you can't point out where in the Constitution this is said. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, do you ever think, or do you enjoy being an intagonist to much? Please read the 10th Amendment you stooge. The States cannot MAKE ANY LAW THAT THE CONSTITUTION PROHIBITS!!!!!!! Michigan can not legislate that all citizens of its state will be Mormans, because this is prohibited by the constituion because it infringes the freedom of religion of its citizens. You should be embarrassed.
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#39
11-10-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: Ron Paul - clear on abortion
Ron Paul : "Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law."
Hah. I can hear the mass grinding of teeth of our Libertarian friends, including the teeth of that Alfalfa Gang known as the ACers. Sheesh. Ron Paul wants the State to define what is and what is not a person. I thought we were getting all those assault weapons specifically to have every man decide such things for himself, weren't we??... [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#40
11-10-2007, 04:13 PM
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Re: Ron Paul - clear on abortion
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Why would such a candidate gain any popularity? IMO, because people are not aware or don't understand his reasoning! [/ QUOTE ] Because abortion is pretty much a non issue to me compared to the more important things going on.
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