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Old 11-17-2007, 11:45 PM
bostonlegal bostonlegal is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - Line check Two hands of KK

can someone explain to me why hand1 is a shove on the turn? the BB has $72 and by turn he has only but in $9 which is 1/8 of his stack. What are we putting him on? The way we have played this hand up until the turn looks like we have a king and since we are in the CO our range would be wide, i don't think hes putting us on Ks. If we shove him on the turn however he might find a fold in AQ, lower pp or KQ? Obviously if he has set or 2 pair the money is going in anyways so theres no reason for us to push is there? What about a reraise on the turn to $20? Sorry if this is a noob question
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:38 AM
bigjared bigjared is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - Line check Two hands of KK

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can someone explain to me why hand1 is a shove on the turn? the BB has $72 and by turn he has only but in $9 which is 1/8 of his stack. What are we putting him on? The way we have played this hand up until the turn looks like we have a king and since we are in the CO our range would be wide, i don't think hes putting us on Ks. If we shove him on the turn however he might find a fold in AQ, lower pp or KQ? Obviously if he has set or 2 pair the money is going in anyways so theres no reason for us to push is there? What about a reraise on the turn to $20? Sorry if this is a noob question

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hero only had 31~ to start the hand and 9~ invested to call the raise on the turn, if hes going to raise the turn anything less than a push makes no sense.
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:43 AM
gfejs gfejs is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - Line check Two hands of KK

its pretty obvious the villian in hand 1 have atleast one pair beat (those kind of villians arent raising without a hand.) so a reraise on turn is good.

Hand 2 is high variance play hard too say if its +ev the push is a prolly a big hand on that board...
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Old 11-18-2007, 12:51 PM
Jw513 Jw513 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - Line check Two hands of KK

Would like a few more opinions...

Also, Does their aggrssion factor have any influence on these hands?
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:27 PM
mmctrab mmctrab is offline
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Default Re: NL25 - Line check Two hands of KK

*grunch*

Hand 1 I bet more on the flop and turn, and push over his turn minraise. I think he has 2 pair a lot here, possibly a set of Js or 4s. A suited Ace is a possibility also and I don't want to see another heart hit the board. The flop is pretty drawy, and the turn makes it even worse, so, I bet I like betting the flop and turn harder.

Hand 2 the converter is screwed up, and I'm assuming CO is pushing AI on the flop, which makes me think he has some combo draw going, or a set or two pair that's afraid of another spade hitting the board. I'd raise more preflop, I'd pot the flop, and when I get raised big I think I'm done. Even if we hit a fourth spade there's probably a pretty good chance we're going to lose to an Ace high flush.
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