QQ weird spot

mike l. · #1 05-26-2007, 09:31 PM

i have QQ in the sb in a decent live 40 game. a fish limps utg, someone else limps, mediocre regular raises, someone calls two cold, button who is also a mediocre winning regular, a little better than the raiser, calls. i 3 bet, bb who is a huge fish calls, everyone calls, but now button decides to cap it. 7 ways for 4 bets.

the flop is Ah8h8s. i dont have a heart. i decide to bet. bb fish calls, initial pf raiser moans and groans and shows his hand in a non-acting fashion all bummed out to the people on his right. im pretty sure he has a weak A he doesnt like. he calls. button calls. 4 of us.

the turn is 6c. what should i do in this big pot?

HOWMANY · #2 05-26-2007, 09:38 PM

c/f because Dave probably would have raised a flush draw on the flop and I can't believe Danny folded top pair even though it's a super easy fold. I would have just c/c flop though.

mike l. · #3 05-26-2007, 10:11 PM

dont you think it was worth betting so danny could fold top pair?

Joe Tall · #4 05-26-2007, 11:14 PM

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dont you think it was worth betting so danny could fold top pair?

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He's a payoff type, he is one to take to value-town not bluff, he never folds.

DeathDonkey · #5 05-26-2007, 11:29 PM

I think there is merit in checking and maybe raising.

-DeathDonkey

mike l. · #6 05-27-2007, 01:17 AM

think through it a little more joe. he's not going to show that hand to his neighbors and then mindlessly call down with it. he's showing it to get a read on me and then see how i react and then show them how good he plays when he lays it down. he's generally a calling station but he cares a lot about what people think of his play.

that said, there are two other people in the pot on the turn...

Nate tha\\\' Great · #7 05-27-2007, 01:37 AM

Check/give-up. C'mon, man. The other hand you just posted is genius, this one is not.

Joe Tall · #8 05-27-2007, 01:56 AM

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think through it a little more joe. he's not going to show that hand to his neighbors and then mindlessly call down with it. he's showing it to get a read on me and then see how i react and then show them how good he plays when he lays it down. he's generally a calling station but he cares a lot about what people think of his play.

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He's showing it to get his standard, "woe is me, I run so bad" so he has an excuse for his GF when he drops 4 dimes again. Which makes me think he has KK anyway and he might just fold that, depends on how deep he is into the game.

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that said, there are two other people in the pot on the turn...

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This compounds your problem anyway.

dcb777 · #9 05-27-2007, 03:19 AM

see seems like an easy check call flop here.Am I missing something?

surfdoc · #10 05-27-2007, 03:43 AM

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think through it a little more joe. he's not going to show that hand to his neighbors and then mindlessly call down with it. he's showing it to get a read on me and then see how i react and then show them how good he plays when he lays it down. he's generally a calling station but he cares a lot about what people think of his play.

that said, there are two other people in the pot on the turn...

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Why do you guys keep saying he is a calling station? He is far and away the most likely guy to fold winners out of everyone in this game. He would fit right in in vegas. Maybe he is just scared of me but when I think about making moves at the table I think he is the number one target. The rest of your read I agree with but this pot is pretty damn big to be mucking an ace especially if his kicker is big enough to raise preflop with. He was the initial pfr right?