Wynn Dealers Unionizing

[StevieG]

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Even outside its pure form, that analogy seems wrong.

After all it is accepted practice that waitresses and bartenders tip out for busboys and barbacks. Wynn was the first to try making that stream flow uphill.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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If only Wynn had the foresight to implement this tip sharing scheem before the doors opened, there would have been no uproar.

Demand for dealing postions would not have been affected either.

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I think everyone agrees with that, however who would have guessed the tips would be so huge that it created a lopsided economy?

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This is the realy problem. Wynn went out of his way to make sure the environment, the beauty of the CW's, and the staff were TOP notch.

this has lead to tipping phenom that no one else can duplicate.

No one could have predicted this upside-down system where the bosses were making 20% less than dealers.

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TT,

Even outside its pure form, that analogy seems wrong.

After all it is accepted practice that waitresses and bartenders tip out for busboys and barbacks. Wynn was the first to try making that stream flow uphill.

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I know its wrong but it does help to show Wynn's thought process. It's not like he is operating in a vacuum, there are prior examples of management policies in service industries.

[pig4bill]

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So if you had such a job, and then your boss came in one day without warning or discussion and announced unilaterilly that he was taking 10-20% of your pay andusing it to pay othetr employees (who would not be alleviating your workload) you would be happy about that say well at least I still make a lot of money for an uneducated peron who works in a gorgeous air conditioned environment + full benefits?

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Of course not. But I also wouldn't be stupid enough to believe a union could do anything about it. I'd have to accept the reality that I'm being paid at the top of the totem pole for what I do, and I don't have an option of going somewhere else, or extorting my employer.

[Don Olney]

So the guy who took the most risk, along with the stock holders do not have the right to make as much as possible.
Even if Wynn was making 3 times this amount per 1/4, I say WOO HOOO for him.

[psandman]

Of course there is also a difference support staff (who are traditionally tipped out) and supervisors.

BTW -- i don't object to tipping out my supervisor -- I do so everyday (voluntarily). The point is that it is commonplace in poker. It is not industry standard in table games. If Wynn had done it from the start and told the dealers up front what was going on, it would be an entirely different thing. But to walk in one day and unilaterally impose it is a significant problem for the dealers. If they accept that then where does it end? Next week he comes in and change sthe percentage, gives himslef a share, adds the security guards to the list of people getting a share.

[AngusThermopyle]

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So the guy who took the most risk, along with the stock holders do not have the right to make as much as possible.
Even if Wynn was making 3 times this amount per 1/4, I say WOO HOOO for him.

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The figures were to show that he could "afford" to pay the supervisors himself. Not like the casino was barely making money.

The point is that the dealers were hired under one set of conditions and Wynn unilaterally changed them. If he wants better supervisors, pay them himself, do not rob the dealers. Guess you wouldn't mind taking a $10K pay cut so someone else can make $30K more.

[BBMW]

I find it interesting that the TWU, as smaller union that doesn't have that much of a presence in Vegas, is organizing the deales, not HERE (Culinary) or the Teamsters. Both of those unions have a huge presence in the Casinos. One has to wonder why they didn't pick up the dealers.

One also has to ask if Culinary and the Teamsters will support the TWU effort. If push comes to shove, and the dealers walk, as mentioned above, Wynn could replace them in milliseconds. That is, unless the other two unions honor the picket lines, and shut down the whole operation.

[psandman]

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I find it interesting that the TWU, as smaller union that doesn't have that much of a presence in Vegas, is organizing the deales, not HERE (Culinary) or the Teamsters. Both of those unions have a huge presence in the Casinos. One has to wonder why they didn't pick up the dealers.

One also has to ask if Culinary and the Teamsters will support the TWU effort. If push comes to shove, and the dealers walk, as mentioned above, Wynn could replace them in milliseconds. That is, unless the other two unions honor the picket lines, and shut down the whole operation.

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The longstanding story about culinary is that the union had agreed to not touch the dealers.

In AC the the dealers who have recently unionized joined the UAW. its interesting the way some unions have grown to the point where there names are really just historical references.

[pig4bill]

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If push comes to shove, and the dealers walk, as mentioned above, Wynn could replace them in milliseconds. That is, unless the other two unions honor the picket lines, and shut down the whole operation.

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You mean like they shut down the Frontier?