"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers?

[suzy89222]

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My advise to most of you people on here is that you wont have to worry about tipping because most of you are deadmoney anyway! Won't have to worry about tipping!!! As for remarks about computers being better than dealers id hope so but if you want to play slot machines like a computer keep playing them because real poker dealers truely bring random flops and computers are programed to create action,if thats what you want play online!!!! As for Chris saying to stiff the dealers was appropriate, thats his decision and whatever every year its the same dealers are paid decently and usually dnt complain except when a pro such as jesus comes in and says they made enough!, maybe he should know his facts first and it would be ok but he dont. I dealt the WSOP several times and have been quite satisfied with my pay but stupid comments towards dealers is uncalled. The dealers that deal the Wsop work hard and take alot of crap and should be paid for the hard work they do!!!!

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i said in one of my posts that there are a surprising number of smart, educated poker dealers out there. this is clearly not one of them.

[whymelord]

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Come on David, I thought that sort of emotional arguement was beneath you. Should Phil Hellmuth make more than nurses? Who, where I live, make between 55 and 70k per anum in the median of their field. WSOP dealers are at the leading edge of their profession. The comparison is loaded and unworthy.



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? Surly, you jest. I've never encountered as many dealer errors as I have in the WSOP circuit events I've played in.

[jedi]

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My advise to most of you people on here is that you wont have to worry about tipping because most of you are deadmoney anyway! Won't have to worry about tipping!!! As for remarks about computers being better than dealers id hope so but if you want to play slot machines like a computer keep playing them because real poker dealers truely bring random flops and computers are programed to create action,if thats what you want play online!!!! As for Chris saying to stiff the dealers was appropriate, thats his decision and whatever every year its the same dealers are paid decently and usually dnt complain except when a pro such as jesus comes in and says they made enough!, maybe he should know his facts first and it would be ok but he dont. I dealt the WSOP several times and have been quite satisfied with my pay but stupid comments towards dealers is uncalled. The dealers that deal the Wsop work hard and take alot of crap and should be paid for the hard work they do!!!!

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There is just so much wrong with this post that I just probably got levelled. No one could be this dumb.

[billybeartku]

I don't see any point of tiping those dealers when the Harrah's already taken some percentage of the total price pool for the staff. Those percentage taken out for the WSOP staff is DEFINATELY good money for those dealers already. Why do they deserve more? Dealers don't share your loss when you get a huge bad beat which affects 100K price. Why do they deserve do share your 7 days of hardwork which you have had to managed to dodge badbeats and suckouts (a lot of mentally pressure!). Percentages taken out for the staff is already enough. They shouldn't ask for more! Remember, they can't ask for a share when they don't share part of your loss.

[Dangeresque]

As a dealer, I agree with David. Dealers should not expect large tips from advantage players, because just like the dealer, they are working also. Jerry Yang... well, I don't know if he considers himself an advantage player. If he does, then he's toked well, if he's a recreational player, who considers tipping as coming out of results, well, he's toked well too, I think once you get to six figures, nobody who realizes they've tipped that much will want to tip more. I won't argue that point. However, when you or I are at the craps table (like I was tonight. Note to self: Plug leak.) or making any bet you know to be -ev, you should toke a small portion of your winnings. There you are betting for entertainment and toking does not affect your chances of beating the game long-term.

Also, form a union. They can't fire you for organizing, only for organizing on Harrah's property. Call in the UFCW, and they'll unionize you, just like they did Palace Casino in Edmonton. If you don't organize, you've little right to complain.

and just to remind those of you channeling Steve Buscemi out there: If nobody tips, dealers won't deal, or will have to be paid $12-20/hr. It's that simple. And just guess where the casinos will take that money from. An end to poker rates, higher rakes, no/less comps. Honestly, the system of tipping is designed to build in yet another advantage for advantage players. Why do so many of us players look at the dealer as your enemy? Also, if anyone tells you to tip, you can reply that you tip at the end of every session in which you're not reminded to tip, based on results. I HATE feeling pressured to toke and I deal cards.

So: To reiterate: Skill is inversely proportional to tipping. Main event dealer is upset because Yang played poorly and tipped like Jesus. This is to be expected because the main event winner is the biggest toke they will see all year, therefore, massive high-variance beat.

Does this make sense to everyone?

[pokerdealers]

Until you have first hand expierence you dnt no!!! I'm a very good dealer and no the game as well as most pro players!!!I've been screwed every year and dnt complain just keep goin back because i enjoy dealing!! Dealing the WSOP is a great time and enjoy the people i work with and the players are usually enjoyable. It just upsets me how people put dealers dwn like porkypine in this post! , mostly people like you!! That dont know!!!!

[pokerdealers]

It takes a dealer or former dealer to make sense of reality!!I cant believe in a prior post a guy said computers dont make mistakes. Them people can stay home and play on the computer because they computers are programed and dealers are not,plus playing in person is the nuts of playing poker!!!

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I've been screwed every year and dnt complain just keep goin back because i enjoy dealing!!

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I see what you did there.

[billybeartku]

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1 question how did this thread get almost 500 replies??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

It's the guys personal decision, and FWIW with all the money that Harrahs jacks from the prize pool, I don't know if I would tip either.

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I'm wondering the same thing. Is this friggin' thread ever gonna die?

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You do understand that even if this thread starts to die, we're just going to resurrect it and have the same thread again next year, right?

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But we get a different 'story' each year.
Hachem was Aussie, and they don't tip down under.
Gold was, well, Gold.
Yang was lured to the Dark Side by Jesus.

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I think next year would be...
oh this guy is from Taiwan and he's a cheap Asian so he doesn't tip cuz Asian countrys don't tip anyway [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Am I implying that I'd be the champ of the ME next year? LOL

have a good one guys. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[W brad]

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But we get a different 'story' each year.
Hachem was Aussie, and they don't tip down under.
Gold was, well, Gold.
Yang was lured to the Dark Side by Jesus.

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What about Raymer, he tipped didn't he?