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Old 08-31-2007, 06:57 AM
KCrow KCrow is offline
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Default AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

Villain is 22/16/4 over 250 hands. No history with him or any reads.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $102.05
Hero (BB): $50.90
UTG: $54.45
MP: $51.00
CO: $51.30
BTN: $18.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.75</font>, CO folds, SB calls $5.25

Flop: ($16) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $94.30</font>, Hero?

I always feel like a fish stacking off with overpairs. I've put him on this hand range, not to mention complete bluffs. Any thoughs?

Board: Td 7s 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.214% 54.00% 01.22% 13899 313.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 44.786% 43.57% 01.22% 11215 313.00 { KK-QQ, TT, 88-77, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, KsQs }
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:00 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

i think your raise should be larger preflop. i usually make mine 110% pot. you're getting better than 2:1 on the ai call, so i don't think you can fold aces here.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:00 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

i think your range for him here is a little wide, would villain really play A10s or KQs like this?

anywayz about the hand, this really stinks like a flopped monster, villain wants you to think he is on a bluf and makes this huge overbet. villain either has a set or KK/QQ here i think.

i fold here.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:04 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

You have to call in a 3bet pot getting those odds but I wouldnt be too happy about it. Hopefully he just has KK/QQ and didnt fancy a 4bet pre flop. Why havent you included JJ in his range? I definately think JJ is a heavy part of his range.... Also 99 can be thrown in there if you have 77-88 in there
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:09 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

Villians raise is a massive overbet.

Would he not 4-bet KK,QQ,AKs preflop ?


I think this is a little closer to home:

Board: Td 7s 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.599% 35.37% 01.23% 15055 525.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 63.401% 62.17% 01.23% 26465 525.00 { JJ-77, AsTs, KsQs, JsTs, Ts9s, T8s, 9s8s, 87s, T8o, 87o }

I would fold this without reads.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:09 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

I think that's a generous range...

KQs, ATs

KK would MOST likely RR Pf.

I'd probably put this guy on a set. 4 is a prety high AF but i still think this is most likely a set/ a hand that has a ton of outs against you.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:15 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

Villian might hold 99 here too.

I think you are up against a set about 40% to 50% of the time.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:15 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

[ QUOTE ]
I think that's a generous range...

KQs, ATs

KK would MOST likely RR Pf.




I'd probably put this guy on a set. 4 is a prety high AF but i still think this is most likely a set/ a hand that has a ton of outs against you.

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A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] would deffo play this hand this way, and K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] represents just a flush draw.
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Old 08-31-2007, 07:41 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

How about 4s5s, 5s6s, 9sTs TsJs?

It's quite an overbet. I think he's on a draw or an overpair like QQ/JJ afraid of an A or K on the turn... A set or two pair will probably try to get more value by betting less.

I don't mind flipping against a combodraw and you are way ahead of some of his range and way behind on a less likely part of his range. Call.
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Old 08-31-2007, 08:04 AM
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Default Re: AA facing CRAI on a drawy flop

I think everyone is glancing at this too quickly and assuming it is a huge overbet. Looking at pot size and effective stacks:

Hero started with $50.90-$7.75-$12.00=$31.15

Pot before shove $16.00+$12.00=$28.00

That makes the shove a little bigger than a PSB, but definitely not a huge overbet.
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