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09-09-2007, 09:22 AM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime - 1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence [/ QUOTE ] Australia had fewer than a dozen deaths attributed to hand guns last year. [ QUOTE ] 2.) The death penalty deters crime [/ QUOTE ] The death penalty deters nothing and is more expensive than housing them in prison for life, when you take into consider the appeals process. 
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#32
09-09-2007, 09:28 AM
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Executions should be public, otherwise: out of sight out of mind. Something as severe as taking a person's life should not be done with any type of secrecy whatsoever. All of the public should have the right to see, scrutinize and criticize. [/ QUOTE ] The death penalty hasn't helped Texas. They've executed over 400 since reenacting it. They've even installed an express line for the more violent murders. Yet, the murders keep taking place. If you take 100 murders, where a white guy killed a white guy, and those murders were similar to 100 murders where a black guy killed a black guy, you would find more blacks getting the death penalty than whites. Imagine if it was black killing white.
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#34
09-09-2007, 09:34 AM
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Re: The 2nd Amendment is alive and well
My paternalism streak is intact, there are several gun laws I support. The main reason why I support the 2nd Amendment is because I support the Constitution. We make sacrifices in the interest of other civil liberties: criminals release on 4th amendment grounds, etc. To a certain extent we are stuck with the 2nd Amendment.
Also, I'm undecided on whether broad ownership of guns is a net plus or minus on public safety.
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#35
09-09-2007, 11:39 AM
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[ QUOTE ] two biggest myths of the politics of crime - 1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence [/ QUOTE ] Australia had fewer than a dozen deaths attributed to hand guns last year. [/ QUOTE ] This says nothing of how many they would have had if the right to hand gun ownership were not infringed.
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#36
09-09-2007, 11:50 AM
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Also, I'm undecided on whether broad ownership of guns is a net plus or minus on public safety. [/ QUOTE ] I think a survey of school shooting deaths where innocents carried arms vs where innocents couldn't carry arms should give you a good idea.
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#37
09-09-2007, 04:03 PM
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Australia had fewer than a dozen deaths attributed to hand guns last year. [/ QUOTE ] Curious where you got this statistic, as several sources I've looked at say around 300. While still relatively low, 300 != "fewer than a dozen"
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#38
09-09-2007, 05:33 PM
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To a certain extent we are stuck with the 2nd Amendment. [/ QUOTE ] meh. i dont want to cut and paste my response to the EDF thread, but-- the constitution didn't grant us the right to defend ourselves. Its a god-given right, natural right, whatever you want to call it. A govt can't take it away. The freedoms of religion and speech and redress are similar, however it is much easier to defend those with a rifle in hand. I'm very confident young Iron will "get it" eventually. O/U on when???
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#39
09-09-2007, 06:53 PM
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As long as you actually live inside the district instead of in Maryland or Virginia. The DC Circuit doesn't cover much geographically. Don't forget about the follow up law getting around the ruling if DC loses in the Supreme Court. Edit: You could always let yourself get arrested for violating a local gun ban and have your lawyer use the ruling as precedent to get your arrest tossed. MD, NC and Virginia are all in the same Circuit. [/ QUOTE ] thank god virginia already has proper gun laws (aka very few) unlike the death traps that are d.c. and maryland.
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#40
09-09-2007, 07:09 PM
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[ QUOTE ] As long as you actually live inside the district instead of in Maryland or Virginia. The DC Circuit doesn't cover much geographically. Don't forget about the follow up law getting around the ruling if DC loses in the Supreme Court. Edit: You could always let yourself get arrested for violating a local gun ban and have your lawyer use the ruling as precedent to get your arrest tossed. MD, NC and Virginia are all in the same Circuit. [/ QUOTE ] thank god virginia already has proper gun laws (aka very few) unlike the death traps that are d.c. and maryland. [/ QUOTE ] QFT, got kinda lost last night, drove around in West Baltimore for a few minutes before getting the F out. Kept thinking that I wish I had a glock at my side just in case
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