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Old 09-05-2007, 02:48 PM
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This is a little old, so I'm surprised there wasn't a thread on it. The DC Federal Appellate Court threw out a longstanding DC handgun ban on 2nd Amendment grounds. This was decribed as the most sweeping interpretation of the 2nd Amendment ever.

Since this ruling conflicts with other Circuit Court rulings, there is also an excellent chance the Supreme Court will hear the case and if they do, similar laws across the country are in jeopardy. Gun opponents urged DC not to appeal the ruling to avoid giving the Supreme Court a chance, but DC has elected to appeal and they are awaiting word from the Supreme Court on whether they'll hear the case.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:06 PM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime -

1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence
2.) The death penalty deters crime
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:50 PM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime -

1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence
2.) The death penalty deters crime

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The Death Penalty would deter crime if it was enacted publicly within 24 hours of sentencing. You can thank the appeals process for the loss of deterence.
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:30 PM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime -

1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence
2.) The death penalty deters crime

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The Death Penalty would deter crime if it was enacted publicly within 24 hours of sentencing. You can thank the appeals process for the loss of deterence.

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Old 09-05-2007, 04:57 PM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime -

1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence
2.) The death penalty deters crime

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The Death Penalty would deter crime if it was enacted publicly within 24 hours of sentencing. You can thank the appeals process for the loss of deterence.

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You can also thank it for saving hundreds of innocent people from Death Row, so I'd rather not lose it.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:55 PM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime -

1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence
2.) The death penalty deters crime

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The Death Penalty would deter crime if it was enacted publicly within 24 hours of sentencing. You can thank the appeals process for the loss of deterence.

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You can also thank it for saving hundreds of innocent people from Death Row, so I'd rather not lose it.

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Hundreds? I'd wager that the appeals process vacates the death penalty based on technicalities far more often than it does based on innocence.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:12 PM
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Hundreds? I'd wager that the appeals process vacates the death penalty based on technicalities far more often than it does based on innocence.

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50 or so murder cases exonerated via DNA evidence just from the Innocence Project alone - and IP typically takes cases where appeals have already been exhausted.

Those are not all DP cases, but the statistics do support me on this; I'll have to dig some link up if you need one, though, since I don't have Lexis/Westlaw anymore.

edit: (man, I've edited this post like 5 times already): http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instruc...man/index.html is linked off Wiki and is the classic resource for death penalty opponents.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:30 PM
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Hundreds? I'd wager that the appeals process vacates the death penalty based on technicalities far more often than it does based on innocence.

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The fact that most appeals process rely on technicalities has nothing to do with the fact that it can save innocent lifes.
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Old 09-06-2007, 01:10 PM
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two biggest myths of the politics of crime -

1.) Banning guns reduces gun violence
2.) The death penalty deters crime

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The Death Penalty would deter crime if it was enacted publicly within 24 hours of sentencing. You can thank the appeals process for the loss of deterence.

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You can also thank it for saving hundreds of innocent people from Death Row, so I'd rather not lose it.

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Hundreds? I'd wager that the appeals process vacates the death penalty based on technicalities far more often than it does based on innocence.

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so you'd rather kill X innocent men than not kill Y guilty men on technicalities (who still serve life sentances).

please fill in X and Y for me.

Barron
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Old 09-05-2007, 08:00 PM
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Executions should be public, otherwise: out of sight out of mind. Something as severe as taking a person's life should not be done with any type of secrecy whatsoever. All of the public should have the right to see, scrutinize and criticize.
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