Top 10 hands

Flintoff · #1 01-30-2007, 01:52 AM

Just going over some PT stats for my last 50K hands and was having a look at the top hands. I get the feeling I'm running bad, but can't be sure. I also think I may just play my big hands poorly at times.

Does anyone feel these figures are representative of a 1bb+ player? Do some of you go to showdown more? etc?

Thanks

Burnsabre · #2 01-30-2007, 06:50 AM

AA, 79% win, 2.87 BB/hand, WTSD 65%
and I run hotter with JJ and TT, about 1.1 BB/hand each.

Don't really know if I got enough hands to compare tho (40k)

Flintoff · #3 01-30-2007, 04:27 PM

Ive heard someone else mention 2.8 for AA before. Hopefully its just the 50K sample size. Man, I hate downswings. I question everything...

Kwaz · #4 01-30-2007, 11:08 PM

I've had a horror run with AA lately and I'm 2.28BB/Hand.

You do better with KK and QQ than me but my unpaired hands are stronger.

Flintoff · #5 01-31-2007, 12:47 AM

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I've had a horror run with AA lately and I'm 2.28BB/Hand.

You do better with KK and QQ than me but my unpaired hands are stronger.

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How AA runs has such a big bearing on your winrate. It's something I haven't considered too seriosuly before. If I'd won half as much again with AA over my sample, I'd sure be a lot happier!

jimpo · #6 01-31-2007, 05:28 AM

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Ive heard someone else mention 2.8 for AA before. Hopefully its just the 50K sample size. Man, I hate downswings. I question everything...

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You have the same bb results for AA and KK so something is definately not right. You should make WAY more money with AA than KK. You are either running bad or playing bad, and I think playing AA that bad that it has the same results as KK is not very easy to do.

Flintoff · #7 01-31-2007, 07:46 AM

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Ive heard someone else mention 2.8 for AA before. Hopefully its just the 50K sample size. Man, I hate downswings. I question everything...

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You have the same bb results for AA and KK so something is definately not right. You should make WAY more money with AA than KK. You are either running bad or playing bad, and I think playing AA that bad that it has the same results as KK is not very easy to do.

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Well, not sure what it will prove, but here are my top 5 losers and top 5 winners with AA from that sample. I really can't see too many errors. I'm hoping my poor rate is just variance. Jeez. If I really play Aces 1BB less than you guys, I'm in trouble!!

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah As (full house, aces full of tens).
Button has Tc Td (four of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Button wins 21.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.

River: (10.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
MP has Kc Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: MP wins 14.25 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad As (three of a kind, aces).
MP has Qh 6h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP wins 14 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ts 8s (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ad Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 13.25 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and fours).
Button doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 14.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad As (two pair, aces and twos).
CO has Td Qd (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 19.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ad (two pair, aces and nines).
CO has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.25 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Js Ks (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has Ad As (two pair, aces and fours).
UTG has Tc Kd (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 5c 4h (full house, fives full of fours).
Hero has As Ad (full house, aces full of fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.50 BB. 

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: (13.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 3s 3c (three of a kind, threes).
Hero has Ah Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 17.75 BB.

Wolfram · #8 01-31-2007, 11:18 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad As (three of a kind, aces).
MP has Qh 6h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP wins 14 BB. 

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The river 3-bet is spew (I think). KQo flopped the nuts, the flushdraw got there and I guess villain could have 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Maybe his range of raising hands is big enough, I'm not sure, but I don't think so, and getting capped sucks.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Js Ks (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has Ad As (two pair, aces and fours).
UTG has Tc Kd (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.50 BB. 

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] the river sexy. Very nice hand. I assume you fold to a 3bet?

Rest seemed pretty standard.

Flintoff · #9 01-31-2007, 05:17 PM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad As (three of a kind, aces).
MP has Qh 6h (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP wins 14 BB. 

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The river 3-bet is spew (I think). KQo flopped the nuts, the flushdraw got there and I guess villain could have 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Maybe his range of raising hands is big enough, I'm not sure, but I don't think so, and getting capped sucks.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Js Ks (two pair, kings and jacks).
Hero has Ad As (two pair, aces and fours).
UTG has Tc Kd (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 16.50 BB. 

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] the river sexy. Very nice hand. I assume you fold to a 3bet?

Rest seemed pretty standard.

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Yeah - when I looked through your 1st one, I thought it was MAYBE a bit much action with flush etc, but in hindsight I'd do the same.

For the other hand, I pretty much put him on KJ or possibly AJ (ace hearts). River made it a pretty easy sexy. I would've called a 3 bet because he doesnt have that many hands that could be ahead of me.
He woulda reraised JJ, KK or AQh preflop.

Trent · #10 01-31-2007, 09:28 PM

I'm 3BB/100 for AA (overall WR = 2BB/100). AA+KK = my total winnings at 50k hands 5/10. I laugh at live players who say AA is no good, hehehehe.

Trent.