HU 25/50 really weird spot deep

[Elrazor]

the ony hand i can really put him on here is something like 889T w/clubs, where hes thinking either you have a better flush and he has outs, or AAxx and hes ahead. part of your range would also be the bare king from his point of view, so by getting his money in on the turn hes kind of hedging his bets a little figuring overall his situation is +ev, but he dosent really know where you are at

[cmyr]

I agree with pete that playing top set fast on a flush board is often a good idea... if your opponent will fold even just his low flushes to the action your equity is pretty huge.

The problem with waiting until the turn, obviously, is that if we do get called we're in a way worse spot. On the flop we're generally going to be in the 40% to win range, which after a bet and a raise anyway is almost justified without any fold equity.

[gordo16]

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I agree with pete that playing top set fast on a flush board is often a good idea... if your opponent will fold even just his low flushes to the action your equity is pretty huge.



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as a rare move, sure, I completely agree, but having that play be your standard is a pretty big leak IMO if you are playing opponents that are willing to adjust to your style even a little bit.

[cmyr]

Assuming you're willing to do the same with the nut flush I don't think it's that bad at all. Just calling straight and flush flops with sets is tricky because it tends to kill your implied odds, and unless you're habitually trapping with nut straights and flushes it telegraphs your hand quite often. Obviously mixing it up is important, but as a sort of common line I prefer playing both types of hands fast to playing them both slow.

[gordo16]

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Assuming you're willing to do the same with the nut flush I don't think it's that bad at all. Just calling straight and flush flops with sets is tricky because it tends to kill your implied odds, and unless you're habitually trapping with nut straights and flushes it telegraphs your hand quite often. Obviously mixing it up is important, but as a sort of common line I prefer playing both types of hands fast to playing them both slow.

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unless you have the balls to consistently fire 3 bullets with sets when the board doesnt pair, good players will:
A.) pick up on your high betting frequency on flush boards and increase their flop and turn call frequencies, making it an essential tug-of-war IMO.
B.) simply start to c/c flop and c/r turn bets with nut flushes.
** maybe I'm biased because I tend to mostly play HU and otherwise shorthanded.

Also, your prescribed style of play doesn't make much sense to me especially because you tend to play full 6-max games where stack sizes are not always deep and playing sets like this will IMO usually result in leaking money to stubborn shorter stacks.

[cmyr]

I'm talking explicitly about hu, which has been my main game for the last few weeks.

If i'm on the button and raise PF with AA and the flop is Axx monotone and the action is c/b/r, I really don't mind pushing.

If the action is c/b/c, you have a whole slew of options.

my focus here is more specifically with whether or not we should felt top set, not whether we should triple barrel it... the latter obviously limits our options tremendously, and doesn't really interest me.

[gordo16]

so youre recommending felting top set on monotone boards every time you get c/r on the flop in 2bet pots pre? am I reading that correctly?