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Old 11-01-2007, 08:33 PM
stackingboxes stackingboxes is offline
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Default 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

Practically no history, aka unknown with like 90 hands in the database

he is 27/18/1.81

Is my line okay? does anyone find a fold on the turn??? do we agree push>call?

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (UTG): $416.60
CO: $312.18
BTN: $795.25
SB: $1,035.30
BB: $400

Pre-Flop: 8 6 dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $14[/COLOR], 2 folds, SB calls $12, BB folds

Flop: ($32) 8 6 T (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $25[/COLOR], <font color="red">SB raises to $75[/COLOR], Hero calls $50

Turn: ($182) 3 (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $115[/COLOR], <font color="red">Hero raises to $327.60 and is All-In[/COLOR]
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

i'd rather fold the turn you're only ahead of the bottom of his range like A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T:x: when he bets the turn again.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

Looks real standard.

A call looks pretty awful given stacks, and I don't see how you find a fold.

A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T is hardly at the bottom of his range here. What about a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]? Hell what about pure bluffs? Slowplayed big pairs, Tx, other semi bluffs, all sorts of crap.

I do like waiting for the turn though since there are so many bad cards that could fall, and our equity goes way up when we catch good.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:36 AM
Jamougha Jamougha is offline
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

I fold the flop because I find you're usually way behind and sometimes slightly ahead. Don't tell anyone tho.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

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I fold the flop because I find you're usually way behind and sometimes slightly ahead. Don't tell anyone tho.

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Meh, if there was a straight possible, I can buy it, but I don't see myself getting away here.

Maybe the fact that he's SB and not BB should make me want to fold it more, since it narrows his range considerably.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

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I fold the flop because I find you're usually way behind and sometimes slightly ahead. Don't tell anyone tho.

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if u'r doing this, it has to be player specific right?

there are guys who I'll fist pump to get it in, and other's i would puke and want to fold
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:04 AM
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

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I fold the flop because I find you're usually way behind and sometimes slightly ahead. Don't tell anyone tho.

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if u'r doing this, it has to be player specific right?

there are guys who I'll fist pump to get it in, and other's i would puke and want to fold

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Of course with reads stuff changes. I'm basing this on a random medium-bad player at 2/4. I don't think they're bluffing enough for us to call trying to dodge 18 cards so we can get the money in with lousy equity.
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Old 11-02-2007, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: 400nl: bottom 2 on monotone flop

79 makes a straight. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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