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10-19-2006, 01:27 PM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
Those who want to limit the connections available on the internet can start their own internet.
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10-19-2006, 01:31 PM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
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The point of my argument was to show the absurdity of the claim that those who own the pipe can do whatever they want with it. [/ QUOTE ] I sell ice cream. I could make a lot more money if my cream supplier would give me twice as much cream per day for the same amount of money, but he insists on charging me more. This is impacting my business. Obviously, we should not allow those who own the cream to do whatever they want with it. It's absurd!
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10-19-2006, 02:16 PM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
No, I get your point exactly. You want to tell force someone else to sell you what you want on your terms without regard to their own ideas about how to sell what they have. You already said you oppose the idea that "it's their pipe and they can do what they want."
From the faq: [ QUOTE ] This is about Internet freedom. [/ QUOTE ] Likewise, my demand from my cream supplier is about cream freedom. [ QUOTE ] Net Neutrality ensures that all users can access the content or run the applications and devices of their choice. [/ QUOTE ] See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. If my cream supplier can charge more money for cream, then only those who have money will get cream. I want to be free to make the ice cream that I want. They're choking off my ice cream!!!! [ QUOTE ] Small business owners benefit from an Internet that allows them to compete directly — not one where they can't afford the price of entry. [/ QUOTE ] AMEN!!! I can't keep up with these big dairies. I benefit from rules that let me dictate the price I pay for my cream supply. Seriously, though there is one bit of truth: [ QUOTE ] Writing Net Neutrality into law would preserve the freedoms we currently enjoy on the Internet. For all their talk about "deregulation," the cable and telephone giants don't want real competition. They want special rules written in their favor. [/ QUOTE ] So the answer is A) more regulation limiting those "special rules" B) just get rid of the special rules that are choking "real competition" ???
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10-19-2006, 02:17 PM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
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Those who want to limit the connections available on the internet can start their own internet. [/ QUOTE ] That's what they have now.
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#17
10-19-2006, 07:14 PM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
Re: cream analogy - We are talking about data transfer communications which is a fundamentally different type of thing. If you want to stick with it though, something like this would fit better.
You and a friend make tasty home made ice cream. It becomes popular among your family and friends, and you decide to start a small side business, making a few extra hundred dollars a month doing something you both enjoy. One day your cream supplier calls you to inform you that, effective immediately, all supplies of cream will be replaced with a crappy, non-dairy alternative that tastes bad and nobody will want ice cream made from. But, he adds, you can sign up for a new premium service which will give him access to the normal good stuff again for a flat $300/month fee. You further find out this has nothing to do with some sort of cow epidemic, but a few of the companies that control virtually all cream distribution are simply working together to eliminate competition and prevent another Ben and Jerry. And not only do you need this premium service to stay in business, you can't even go back to making ice cream for yourselves anymore without it. More importantly, the issue of net neutrality is about much more than allowing fair competition among e-businesses. It's about preserving preserving free speech and equal access to the web for all. [ QUOTE ] So the answer is A) more regulation limiting those "special rules" B) just get rid of the special rules that are choking "real competition" ??? [/ QUOTE ] A) isn't stated correctly, but I support both net neutrality and deregulation.
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10-20-2006, 12:21 AM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
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One day your cream supplier calls you to inform you that, effective immediately, all supplies of cream will be replaced with a crappy, non-dairy alternative that tastes bad and nobody will want ice cream made from. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have an entitlement to the old cream? [ QUOTE ] a few of the companies that control virtually all cream distribution are simply working together to eliminate competition and prevent another Ben and Jerry. [/ QUOTE ] They're working together to eliminate their customers??? Who will they sell stuff to? Sounds like this problem will take care of itself.
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10-20-2006, 02:01 AM
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Re: Moyers on America: \"The Net at Risk\"
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Do you have an entitlement to the old cream? [/ QUOTE ] probably not, actually I'm not even sure, just pointing out the sleeze, trying to make your analogy a bit more realistic. [ QUOTE ] They're working together to eliminate their customers??? Who will they sell stuff to? Sounds like this problem will take care of itself. [/ QUOTE ] Bleh, you know what I meant for purpose of the analogy was the cream companies own the big ice cream companies or otherwise want them to be their only premium customers. The analogy is too flawed to be of much use anyway, so I'll drop it. [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] We are talking about data transfer communications which is a fundamentally different type of thing. [/ QUOTE ] How so? [/ QUOTE ] One is cream and the other is a means of communcation, free speech, and fair competiton. Telcos have no right to selectively throttle bandwidth based on what data the packets contain. What's next, telling me I have to pay $15/month extra if I want to download porn? Again, I'm not saying sites that use more bandwidth should not pay more. They do now, and always have.
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