Stars $50 50K...turn set in multiway pot...ugly river...line check

[ssnyc]

taking a shot at the $50 MTT...please comment on my line...

preflop bet okay or too small? (7 people calling 7X OMG!)
flop check in 7 way pot?
turn raise a good size? (love the $80 lead into $860 pot)
check call river an okay line?

I though players would be a little better at $50 but wow!!??

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players

Stack sizes:
UTG: t520
UTG+1: t3410
MP1: t4800
MP2: t4140
MP3: t2970
Hero: t2950
Button: t2050
SB: t3200
BB: t2930

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20
UTG+1 calls t20
MP1 calls t20
2 folds
Hero raises to t140
Button calls t140
SB calls t130
BB folds
UTG calls t120
UTG+1 calls t120
MP1 calls t120

Flop: (t860) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks
UTG checks
UTG+1 checks
MP1 checks
Hero checks
Button checks.

Turn: (t860) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB bets t80
UTG folds
UTG+1 calls t80
MP1 calls t80
Hero raises to t500
Button calls t500
3 folds

River: (t2100) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks
Button bets t820
Hero calls t820

Final pot: t3740

[M1cKmAcK]

wow. that's exactly what you don't want pre with JJ... a party pot. And you raised it 7x BB so wtf? I agree with the way you played this hand... i would have played it probably very similarly. It's good you didn't get too cute on the turn, I like the big raise... the club is unfortuanate, the C/C isn't a bad play... maybe that's why he was betting b/c you looked weak?

[BrandiFan]

I hate the PF raise. there's nothing wrong with limping JJ... or even raise to 40. You don't want to play a big pot with it unless you hit a set and your overbet pre makes it big.
This type of play will leave you with some tough decisions for lotsa chips when you have one pair with overs on board.

Edit: forgot about the rest of the hand. Your turn raise was too small. The J isn't likely a scary card for your opponent, so raise full pot to make him pay to draw.
Check-calling his river minibet is fine.

[kenny7]

I actually raise more pre.Yeah,I know 7x should be enough,but at this stage,w 3 limpers and blinds supersmall,you are going to get called superlight.On the other hand,I make it 200 and they'll prob call anyway so whatever...

I might bet more on the turn as well,pot is huge already,let them pay for a draw. Having said all that,I'm pretty sure he's got the flush here,and that might affect my thinking re this hand,you probably played it fine. River is a call I guess,the hand is so weird villain might have a lower set,but ya,I'm shocked if he has anything but a flush here.

Oh,btw,I never limp w JJ but I guess it is an option here

[Bond18]

I make it 160 pre. I make it 600 on the turn. Otherwise looks good.

[ssnyc]

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I hate the PF raise. there's nothing wrong with limping JJ... or even raise to 40. You don't want to play a big pot with it unless you hit a set and your overbet pre makes it big.
This type of play will leave you with some tough decisions for lotsa chips when you have one pair with overs on board.

Edit: forgot about the rest of the hand. Your turn raise was too small. The J isn't likely a scary card for your opponent, so raise full pot to make him pay to draw.
Check-calling his river minibet is fine.

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Brandi..for Barry's sake I will ignore the suggestion that I raise to 40...will send him into convulsions if I do that...I agree limping is okay but why would I not raise here? If anything my raise was too low...Also I am in the CO and will have good position so I could play a slightly bigger pot...also since I have not played the $50 much I didn not anticipate 7 callers to a 7X raise (is this normal???)...I think I need to raise here to narrow the field and also to snag the button (that part didnt work).

I think the flop is standard and I guess I could have bumped a little higher on turn...

[Under dog]

NH I like it all

[BrandiFan]

I think a raise to 60 or 80 leaves you room to call a reraise. The hands where you win big pots with JJ are when you have a set (esp vs an overpair). If you raise to 140 and someone has a bigger pair, they'd be a fool to not reraise and you wouldn't have the implied odds to try to hit a set.
When you raise and get called you'll see overcards on the flop most of the time (~60% iirc). While I am not afraid to play a big pot with JJ and overs on board, I don't try to create the situation.

[ssnyc]

do we see a lot of QQ+ limping? My raise ws a pure value play with the knowledge I would be in late position for the rst of the hand and that I am not married to the JJ...once again i think the big factor is I expected 1 or 2 rather than 7 callers and I think playing JJ vs a small field in position is a good thing...may be wrong though...dunno

[ThePershore]

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I make it 160 pre. I make it 600 on the turn. Otherwise looks good.

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Edit: and making it t40 - t80 pf is really bad imo.