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Old 05-01-2007, 11:25 AM
tedtodd tedtodd is offline
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Default NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

Villain is 33/29
I'm at 30/16

I like calling 3bets with SC's in position....he's not checking a winning hand here on the turn, and I have outs. AGREED?

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SB ($241.70)
BB ($200)
UTG ($209)
MP ($174.10)
Hero ($438.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $23</font>, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($47) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $33</font>, Hero calls $33.

Turn: ($113) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $108</font>, BB?
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:31 AM
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....he's not checking a winning hand here on the turn, and I have outs. AGREED?

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disagree with the former
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:33 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

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I like calling 3bets with SC's in position....he's not checking a winning hand here on the turn, and I have outs.

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If his not checking a winning hand then he only has a maximum of 4 outs on river. I would check.
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

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I like calling 3bets with SC's in position....he's not checking a winning hand here on the turn, and I have outs.

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If his not checking a winning hand then he only has a maximum of 4 outs on river. I would check.

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Disagree; AhKh has about a billion outs
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:39 AM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

if he's not checking a winning hand then why bet.

value?

you can snap off a bluff a good percentage of the time
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

why turn your hand into a bluff?
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

if he has a heart draw he's betting turn he has 7/8 outs (3 7s plus overcards minus hearts) (assuming he's always checking the winning hand here which is a bad assumption w/o specific reads)

op, why bet so much?
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

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I like calling 3bets with SC's in position....he's not checking a winning hand here on the turn, and I have outs. AGREED?

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I disagree. Over the long run you will lose more money with this strategy then win. This is a losing strategy, SC are a drawing hand.

Villian has AK-AJ but does not have AhKh... he would have bet turn. Your turn bet is super-heavy btw, you could have got away with $65-75.. it will have the same effect as $108
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:53 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

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if he has a heart draw he's betting turn he has 7/8 outs (3 7s plus overcards minus hearts) (assuming he's always checking the winning hand here which is a bad assumption w/o specific reads)

op, why bet so much?

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I don't know why you assume he's betting the turn with hearts. I also don't know where you're coming up with 7/8 outs either. With AhKh, he wins with any heart but the 6, any ace, any king or any 7.
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:56 AM
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Default Re: NL200- Calling a 3bet with SC\'s.

Yeah...I took a stab because he'd been 3betting alot- figured his range was pretty wide.

The pot was a decent size, so I was hoping to just take it down. But I see what everyone is saying about checking and letting him draw to his 4 outs...that's a better line. That's why I'm posting this hand.
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