$4/180 decisions

Wetdog · #1 09-19-2006, 01:50 AM

Pretty early in the donkament, so no reads.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1800
UTG+1: t1060
MP1: t1310
MP2: t1930
Hero: t1430
CO: t1450
Button: t1860
SB: t1810
BB: t850

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t20 (pot was t30), UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t20 (pot was t50), MP2 folds, Hero calls t20 (pot was t70), CO folds, Button raises to t120, SB calls t110 (pot was t210), BB calls t100 (pot was t320), UTG calls t100 (pot was t420), MP1 calls t100 (pot was t520), Hero calls t100 (pot was t620).

Standard, getting 6 to 1 after the raise?

Here's where it gets nuts:

*** FLOP *** [9h 8h Kc]
littlespidey: checks
lumpytee: checks
NTHEHOOD: checks
fireman1760: bets 300
Wetdog13: calls 300
HiroReborn: raises 1440 to 1740 and is all-in
littlespidey: folds
lumpytee: calls 730 and is all-in
NTHEHOOD: folds
fireman1760: folds
Wetdog13: calls 1010 and is all-in
HiroReborn said, "lol"

OK, I figured I was getting 4 to 1 with ~15 outs?

Am I donkey/genius?

Don't look below.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2350, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t3210, Sidepot 1: t730)

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t2350, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: t3210, Sidepot 1: t730)

Results:
Final pot: t2350
BB showed Ks 5s
Hero showed Th Jh

whose ivey: dam....
HiroReborn: simply horrible...
HiroReborn: LOL
HiroReborn: you're gonna win
whose ivey: j9?
Wetdog13: you wouldnt call with 15 outs getting 4:1?
HiroReborn: 9 spikes river
whose ivey: i was gonna call my a7cc
whose ivey: lol
HiroReborn: lolololol
HiroReborn: LOLOLOLOLLOL
Dealer: HiroReborn has a pair of Sixes
Dealer: littlespidey has two pair, Nines and Sixes
whose ivey: or the turn
HiroReborn: donk ***
HiroReborn [observer]: no ****ing reason to call
whose ivey: well i would have
HiroReborn [observer]: Ivey, congrats
whose ivey: ?
whose ivey: on what
HiroReborn [observer]: you now have just seen the luck I get. People making stupid ****ing calls
HiroReborn [observer]: and winning when hey're almost 4:1 underdogs
HiroReborn [observer]: have fun with the donks 

I SAID don't look.
Jebus, you have no discipline.

edit; converted

FortunaMaximus · #2 09-19-2006, 01:51 AM

Didn't need to. You catch?

Edit: Slight bit of advice: It's not a natural 15-outer. Still, I think it's a good call.

Wetdog · #3 09-19-2006, 02:11 AM

Well, I know it's not a full 15 outs (hence ~) but lets say 12 or 13.

Still; close? not even? dive in?

 Yes, I caught. 

edit: dang converter

FortunaMaximus · #4 09-19-2006, 02:19 AM

Good enough for me. Watch out for inflamed nits. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Thundercat32 · #5 09-19-2006, 08:00 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Didn't need to. You catch?

Edit: Slight bit of advice: It's not a natural 15-outer. Still, I think it's a good call.

[/ QUOTE ]

What are the natural outs? I don't get that.

How can you even question if this is a call or not. This is as easy a call as calling an all in preflop with AA in a cash game.

You have an open ended straight flush draw that's like the best flop imaginable.

Jeff76 · #6 09-19-2006, 08:11 AM

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How can you even question if this is a call or not.

[/ QUOTE ]I think he's questioning the call because villian went ballistic on him.

Jeff76 · #7 09-19-2006, 08:27 AM

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Am I donkey/genius?

[/ QUOTE ]Standard.

[ QUOTE ]
Standard, getting 6 to 1 after the raise?

[/ QUOTE ]We are not calling here because we're getting 6 to one. We are calling because we can put in 100 and almost all of our opponents have > 10000 behind and your hand plays well in a multiway big pot.

This is the kind of flop you get it all in on- calling is as good as pushing, but I'd have re-raised the initial bet and tried to get it all in. It's kind of a high variance style, but you have enough outs that I think taking a shot is worth it. I doubt you're behind anyone here, and even if you are the pot is so big it's worth it, especially if you have any FE at all.

And finally, don't talk about "outs" and "odds" at the table. I say that like it's easy to do when critized, but I often justify my play to others. But I shouldn't. Explaining why our play is correct doesn't do anything good for us except wise the table up that we are a thinking poker player and POSSIBLY even educated the steamed villan once he calms down and starts checking out our claims. It's a good thing that he doesn't get your game and thinks you're a donkey. It's a good thing that he feels like this is a flop he can shove into with pocket sixes. Many people don't understand draws in this game and feel like the hand that is rated the best currenly is always the best hand, which isn't true. That you were ahead of him odds wise probably didn't occur to him.

Supwithbates · #8 09-19-2006, 08:43 AM

he's calling a big raise with K5 and shoving a K-high flop into 6 people, and he's calling you the donk?
show him a mirror please

Jeff76 · #9 09-19-2006, 08:45 AM

I think the one complaining is the one with 66. Mirror comment still applies though.

BradleyW · #10 09-19-2006, 08:50 AM

As its early on in the tourney, Im prepared to gamble here. You are favourite against AK and even if the guy has K9 hes only a tad ahead. Its a call for me.