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Old 11-15-2007, 06:47 PM
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How powerful do you think the AC movement is in America (USA)? And do you see it as gaining popularity or losing it in the near future?

Also, how do these figures compare to the atheist movement in America? And is there a relationship between the two movements? If so, what is it?

If you don't know it's ok to answer what you think the figures are like.

Please also state roughly where you think you stand in all this (IE you're a AC and an atheist, an AC and a christian, a republican and christian, or what).

Also, if anyone cares to answer, what do these figures look like in other parts of the world?
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:53 PM
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I think 98% of the population isn't aware there is an AC movement in America...I don't even think there is one. Umm, as a result, it can only gain popularity.

Atheist movement in America is much different, in that A) it exists, and B) most people know about it. No, I don't think there is a relationship here between AC and atheist.

I'm not an ACist, but I do believe in minimal government and the Constitution. I'm not an Atheist, but I am agnostic.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:16 PM
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I would not know of AC if I did not read these forums. I imagine most Americans have extremely limited exposure to AC.

Anarchy also seems to be a rather bad thing to desire. It's equal to chaos to a lot of people I talk to. In order to embrace a theory like AC, it seems you'd have to get over a lot of preconceptions you have over the way things work. You'd also have to understand economics and I'd venture to guess less than 1% of the entire population knows enough about microecon or macroecon to even CONSIDER AC an option.

I'd guess that AC movement will gain popularity in the near future. The internet, the falling dollar, and the growing disdain for politics in many people would be more likely to increase the popularity of AC than decrease it imo.

I'm an atheist with leanings towards AC fwiw.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: AC in America

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How powerful do you think the AC movement is in America (USA)? And do you see it as gaining popularity or losing it in the near future?

Also, how do these figures compare to the atheist movement in America? And is there a relationship between the two movements? If so, what is it?

If you don't know it's ok to answer what you think the figures are like.

Please also state roughly where you think you stand in all this (IE you're a AC and an atheist, an AC and a christian, a republican and christian, or what).

Also, if anyone cares to answer, what do these figures look like in other parts of the world?

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I don't really think of it as an "AC movement." I just think of it as progress. It isn't really the kind of thing that gains steam, then loses it, then gains it. Progress just happens at a natural pace. Things like wars and specific government programs just seem like big deals (which would lead one to believe the progress is a bumpy road) because we're so naturally tuned in to our perspective. You can think of our observations as a view of the trend itself under a microscope. It's just variance. But the "movement" itself just chugs along steadily.

Theism is a different trend, I would say. On one hand it's easier to dismiss, so on one level you'd think it will die faster. But I would guess that it will linger much longer. When the statism bias breaks it will be broken, and my guess is statists will be rare, especially since they'd be so stigmatized if they actually attempted to act on their beliefs. Religion doesn't really matter if you mind your own business. I think its fade will be much more gradual, especially since theist practices will probably keep changing in order to not become too archaic for anyone to swallow.

In terms of America compared to the rest of the world, I dunno. I'd think America stands the best chance to lead the way since we already pretend to like liberty and whatnot, but it's really impossible to say for sure. All I'm confident in is that humans in general will move in this direction.

I consider myself an ACist and I guess an atheist. I don't like labels in general though, and "atheist" is sort of questionable for me. I sort of think of Christianity (and I guess other religions if I knew anything about them) as an "attempt" to explain things we can't fathom. Sometimes it is nice, and I would say logical, to take comfort in the fact that there is so much you don't know. I.e., I don't believe I'm gonna go live in the clouds with God after I die, but I tend to think dying is probably pleasant and good for some reason that our condition can't comprehend. So in a way I don't really consider myself an "atheist" since I think it's worth recognizing that there is so much we don't know. It's just that I don't think it ever makes sense to actually act on anything that isn't based on tangible reason. So maybe agnostic is more accurate of what I am. I don't really know nor care much.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:38 PM
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Certainly the "movement" is extremely small and will only grow. As you guys said, 98%+ of people think "anarchy = chaos/Hell".

I think there is definitely some relationship with atheism. I'd be willing to bet that ACists are disproportionately atheists, and also the other way around a little bit, although most atheists are of course still in the high 90%'s regarding fear of anarchy. The relationship probably stems from intelligence, free thinking and anti-establishment leanings.

I'm an anarchist but not necessarily a full anarcho-capitalist. I have problems with some aspects of how people say AC would work (one major example I can think of is something that was said here a while back about vaccines and how people who caught a disease from an unvaccinated person could then sue that person, which is [censored] retarded). I'm very anti-organized religion, but not quite atheist. I am currently reading Dawkins's "The God Delusion" to see if this can be remedied.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:18 AM
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I think 98% of the population isn't aware there is an AC movement in America...I don't even think there is one. Umm, as a result, it can only gain popularity.

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You forget that there's new people being born, and new people growing up and making their minds on areas such as these.

Also, some ACers could be giving up on the AC idea.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:49 AM
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Also, some ACers could be giving up on the AC idea.

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That's sort of like a horny teenager giving up on the banging chics idea.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:07 AM
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I think 98% of the population isn't aware there is an AC movement in America...I don't even think there is one. Umm, as a result, it can only gain popularity.

Atheist movement in America is much different, in that A) it exists, and B) most people know about it. No, I don't think there is a relationship here between AC and atheist.

I'm not an ACist, but I do believe in minimal government and the Constitution. I'm not an Atheist, but I am agnostic.

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Old 11-16-2007, 07:10 AM
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Don't have much thoughts on a relationship between ACism and christianity, I guess there is one since christians have christian laws. I would find it natural that ACism has more

Around my parts ACism is very rare. Most anarchists I've met here are the socialist variant who oppose capitalism and private property rights.

My personal stance is that the AC principles are a viewpoint that gives grounds for important reflection on the state's role. My background gives me reason to believe their practical utility is currently slim. I am not an ACist, but AC debate has definitely altered my perception on the state. I am an atheist.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:34 AM
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I think 98% of the population isn't aware there is an AC movement in America...I don't even think there is one. Umm, as a result, it can only gain popularity.

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Great and correct post Taso. AC is so marginal that it is somehow funny, specially when the acolytes come out with their usually unfounded fervor! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Well, that is funny, for anyone that sees politics from the outside, without blinkers!
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