the river donk

PokerBob · #1 05-13-2007, 05:05 PM

live 30
villain here i have never seen before. it should be noted that he wears his sunglasses on his head, but he pulls them down into the battle position when in a hand. this likely is affecting my play, because all i can think about when looking at him is dismembering him.

he raises UTG, folds to me in LP and I 3bet A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], massive jackass in the BB calls, UTG calls.

3 to the flop of J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
checks to me, i bet, they both calls.

turn:2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
check, check, i bet, bb folds, UTG calls.

river: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG now donks, I.........

Hobbs. · #2 05-13-2007, 05:40 PM

....fold

I don't get it?

PokerBob · #3 05-13-2007, 05:41 PM

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....fold

I don't get it?

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so, we assume he has hearts here?

hoppscot22 · #4 05-13-2007, 05:46 PM

he has something that beats you ... like all of the time

private joker · #5 05-13-2007, 05:52 PM

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he has something that beats you ... like all of the time

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I think the point Bob is making is that a lot of the time, this "hand that beats us" is a weak pair that will fold to a raise often enough for Bob's 2BB bluff investment to be profitable.

I don't know if I agree, but he might play a flush draw faster than he did, so there's an argument to be made that villain is weak on this river. Of course, the straight draw came in too. So I would probably fold -- but I think at least *considering* a raise is correct, especially if battle position shades dude is the type to checkraise rivers when he hits his hand (as most pricks like this are).

PokerBob · #6 05-13-2007, 05:59 PM

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he has something that beats you ... like all of the time

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I think the point Bob is making is that a lot of the time, this "hand that beats us" is a weak pair that will fold to a raise often enough for Bob's 2BB bluff investment to be profitable.

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bingo

Turning Stone Pro · #7 05-13-2007, 07:43 PM

I make the call and see what he has.

TSP

Barry · #8 05-13-2007, 09:23 PM

Most sunglass wearing guys are not folding for one more bet when they donk the river. How long have the 2 of you been in the game? What other traits did he have?

Entity · #9 05-13-2007, 09:42 PM

Well, I think raising the river is better than calling it, at least.

ship it pls · #10 05-13-2007, 10:42 PM

imo call>fold>raise, getting 9:1 i dont toss this against sunglasses
for those advocating raise, i think the sunglass manipulating type wont be bet/folding because they tend to think others are putting moves on (like they have seen on tv) - i dont think he is the type that will turn 77 into a bluff hand on that river... i expect on this board a weak pair tries to pick off a bluff from A-high, he may be trying to get value while using the dangerous board to prevent higher pp from popping it... but i think this is unlikely... since people who think sunglasses are necessary when they play at canterbury limit tables arent experienced enough to use this type of play (imo) - if he bets he calls if he has you beat, i think calling accomplishes the same raising does in this case