AA Turn fold

Volkan-20 · #1 11-22-2007, 11:22 AM

BB:39/11/1.2
Button sth like 62/x/2.0

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (12.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (12.25BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB calls, Hero folds.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (17.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Button bets, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 19.25BB

IS this an easy muck?

Edit: I add a second one for discussion

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.25BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.25BB

TheHip41 · #2 11-22-2007, 11:36 AM

why are you capping the flop, your hand blows.

And you probably have odds to hit the A by the time you bet the turn and get raised.

I just call the flop 3 bet and go from there.

Oink · #3 11-22-2007, 11:40 AM

Flop is much closer to a fold than a cap

Against 2 idiots I am continuing by caling the flop 3-bet like Hip. But if the other guy wakes up on the turn I am gone.

milesdyson · #4 11-22-2007, 04:55 PM

1: often fold flop depending. otherwise just call down and fold anywhere for multiple bets.
2: check turn. IN MY OPINION.

Saikkonen · #5 11-23-2007, 07:13 AM

hand 1: Like miles.

hand 2: check to me too. The only hands you will get value from may be a single T or a lower FD - they may fold. Otherwise u are spewing cause the pot is really small. Theoretical question: How much do u guys think the potsize should bet to make a defending bet here and risk being reraised? Real biig right?

Volkan-20 · #6 11-23-2007, 10:13 AM

1)
Ok. I was unsure after the Showdown when fish 1 showed K9 and fish 2 split with K8.
2)
Thanks I see now that a turn check is better here.

Wolfram · #7 11-23-2007, 10:28 AM

I don't remember who said it (I think it might have been ILP) but you should probably never cap with 1-pair on the flop. Especially when it's multiway. Maybe there's an exception if the flop is K-7-2 rainbow, the 3-bettor overplays any top pair and the 3rd guy is a station.

Call the 3-bet, then check/call the turn unless there's multiple bets.

The biggest problem with your 4-bet on the flop is that you probably don't really know why you're doing it. If it's purely for value then folding afterwards is pretty damn awful. When you put in 4-bets for value, you should be pretty confident that you're way ahead of their range and you obviously weren't in this case cause the turn changed very little (only completed 78) and still you bet/fold. So then it looks like the 4-bet is for info, and raising for info blows.

On top of that you got the worst possible result by 4-betting. You juiced the pot up, then decided to fold to a turn-raise when you had the equity to call cause you had plenty of outs.