1/2 WTF ??? Donk/call lead turn line ???

[Gelford]

I am in the habit of raising donkbet with ATC in NL, free money usually, so this I also do here

He then calls and leads ???? WTF does this line mean ??? (Can I blow him away with a second raise or is he very strong ?)

Unfortunately I just sat, so no reads.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ???

[milesdyson]

he has a 3, 2x, a pocket pair, or a K and is never folding. stop raising donkbets with any two cards.

[TheWunderkind]

means he has you beat....why woudl you rais ethe Flop?

this means basiclly 2 things in my experience

1. a 3 or a pp wich dont want to give your A high a Freecard

2. a King wich doesnt want to you to fold on the Flop

3. A high trying to make you fold your better Ace or whatever

4. J8o for whatever reason but thats rare

he never folds a better hand...stop using nL concepts in limit! While in nL this might be a feeler bet where you might get him of his weak Hand its not gonna work here

[Gelford]

But 3betting check/raises on Ace-high boards in steal or blind battles with ATC is ok .... right ??

[milesdyson]

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But 3betting check/raises on Ace-high boards in steal or blind battles with ATC is ok .... right ??

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lol

[Gelford]

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stop using nL concepts in limit! While in nL this might be a feeler bet where you might get him of his weak Hand its not gonna work here

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Relax mate, I'm asking nice and gently everytime I'm in doubt, and you throw a stop using NL concepts in limit at me (General statement followed by a period).

That statement has to be a load of crap, so stop telling me to stop using NL concepts in limit and instead list NL concept that usually are good in NL but suffer from different conditions in limit.


Now take this line, it makes no sense. If he is strong, then why donk ... and if he donks, why not threebet ... it is not like the pot is bigger on turn if he just smoothcalls, so I'm not more tied to the pot here than if he 3bet.

Also he is leading turn, so it is not a sacrifice a small bet for the chance of checkraising turn thus winning an extra small bet line.

I don't understand the line ... and was hoping for someone to explain it.


Besides note my postcount, a good deal of those are from non NL forums ... I might be a lhe noob, but I'm not a poker noob mate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Gelford]

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But 3betting check/raises on Ace-high boards in steal or blind battles with ATC is ok .... right ??

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lol

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I take that as a yes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[danzasmack]

when people donk like this i just call as if i had something and then if they fire again i will fold. If he checks the turn i'll bet.

This is like K8 or 78 take your pick and try and make it cheap.

[TheWunderkind]

I explained you what the line basiclly means, no? Also this is the 3rd hand you posted today where you play a hand based on nL concepts...so is just told you to stop it i basiclly suggest you to try to think like a limit player&gt; no need to take offense(-:

[Gelford]

No offence taken, just hate blanket statements like that.


And off course there a zillion NL concepts in my play, I've been playing 2000-4000 NL hands five days a week the last three months .... but I can't just go ... uhhh this feels like a NL concepts, limit gotta be different [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

So I make my play and post .... you know [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


And yes, it is all good ... trust me, I'm one of the good guys [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]