OOP late in 4/180

[SWMVP]

im having trouble late in these tourneys and im wondering if im being too aggressive or if there is a better line i could take. please help me
how would you play it and why?

PokerStars Game #13333029345: Tournament #67642304, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2007/11/19 - 04:18:16 (ET)
Table '67642304 16' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: levibull (2990 in chips)
Seat 2: TOP THAT 1 (10123 in chips)
Seat 3: menrstupid (7080 in chips)
Seat 5: Gamblor Jr 6 (3305 in chips)
Seat 6: dlions4025 (5055 in chips)
Seat 7: vandy67 (5840 in chips)
Seat 8: dayn_1 (1815 in chips)
Seat 9: SWMVP (6690 in chips)
levibull: posts the ante 25
TOP THAT 1: posts the ante 25
menrstupid: posts the ante 25
Gamblor Jr 6: posts the ante 25
dlions4025: posts the ante 25
vandy67: posts the ante 25
dayn_1: posts the ante 25
SWMVP: posts the ante 25
dlions4025: posts small blind 150
vandy67: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SWMVP [8h Kh]
dayn_1: folds
SWMVP: raises 350 to 650
levibull: folds
TOP THAT 1: calls 650
menrstupid: folds
Gamblor Jr 6: folds
dlions4025: folds
vandy67: folds
*** FLOP *** [7s Qh Jh]
SWMVP: bets 6015 and is all-in
TOP THAT 1: calls 6015
*** TURN *** [7s Qh Jh] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [7s Qh Jh 4s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SWMVP: shows [8h Kh] (a pair of Eights)
TOP THAT 1: shows [Ah Qs] (a pair of Queens)
TOP THAT 1 collected 13980 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13980 | Rake 0
Board [7s Qh Jh 4s 8d]
Seat 1: levibull folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TOP THAT 1 showed [Ah Qs] and won (13980) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: menrstupid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Gamblor Jr 6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dlions4025 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: vandy67 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: dayn_1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SWMVP showed [8h Kh] and lost with a pair of Eights

[homanga]

Fold PF

[jonnyd]

why are you open over-shoving this flop?
you're only getting called if youre beat. maybe T9h but realistically its a horrible move.

raising this preflop is horrible if you cant play after the flop

[Popped Rod]

Your thread title says it all.

Fold Kxs in EP PF.

Raise/steal with it in LP and blinds.

That is all.

[SWMVP]

i appreciate everyones advice.
i guess the overshove was terrible.
whats the better play c-bet 1/2 pot or c/r all-in or ,c/c push turn.
im unsure how to proceed when this shallow.
is it better to just wait for good cards rather than take lots of shots at the blinds

[jonnyd]

its not just about waiting for good cards. its about waiting for better situations.

raising 32o from the button is more profitable than raising K8s from utg+1.

when you're raising preflop its either for value (to thin down # of players who will play the hand) or to steal.

raising from utg+1 isnt a very optimal position to steal from, so we assume you are raising this for value.

the problem with this is that with 6 people behind you, the chance of someone having a better hand, and probably a hand that dominates you, is very high. much higher than say if you were raising to steal with only 2 or 3 people left to act.

also with your stack size, playing this weak type of hand out of position, as you found out, is very awkward. so awkward in fact that it led you to just open pushing a flop with a flush draw because you didnt know how else to play it.

if this is the case frequently, fold preflop.

no one wants to be a nit. we understand that. but raising K8 utg+1 is spew.



now, as played i would probably c/r shove or check call.

you have 22bb you still have time

[pokerg1]

fold