the "you win" rule

[SNOWBALL]

Have you guys ever used this rule or seen it used?
The rule is:
If it is HU on the river, and one player says "you win" after all action has been completed, the other player can just muck his hand and take the pot with no showdown.

What is the purpose of this rule, other than putting me in a situation where someone will try to stab me in the parking lot?

[HOWMANY]

to prevent slowrolling supposedly

pretty sure the real purpose behind the rule is to get people to get into retarded conversations at the table about what exact words one can say to get around the rule or angle-reangle each other

[andyfox]

Once, a hundred years ago, I opened the pot in draw poker with pocket kings. An opponent who had previously passed (in draw, a pass is not a fold), called and drew 3. Knowing this opponent, I knew he likely had aces, so I drew one and bet out. He called. I tapped the table, but I didn't really mean "you win," I meant, "Nice call, you very likely win." I tabled my kings and he looked and looked and layed his hand down and he had kings and I won with my kickers.

He protested, the floor was called, and I was awarded the pot. The cardroom (Normandie) did not have the "you win" rule; I likely would have been awarded the pot anyway by this particular floorman, but that's another story.

I've seen players tap the table after they call an opponent who has tabled his hand on the river, and then turn over a winning hand. On occasion it is an actual misread, but more often, it is indeed a slowroll, and an ugly one: a normal slowroll leaves you unsure about whether you have won; this kind, where your opponent taps the table, make you think you have won for sure.

[psandman]

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Once, a hundred years ago, I opened the pot in draw poker with pocket kings. An opponent who had previously passed (in draw, a pass is not a fold), called and drew 3. Knowing this opponent, I knew he likely had aces, so I drew one and bet out. He called. I tapped the table, but I didn't really mean "you win," I meant, "Nice call, you very likely win." I tabled my kings and he looked and looked and layed his hand down and he had kings and I won with my kickers.

He protested, the floor was called, and I was awarded the pot. The cardroom (Normandie) did not have the "you win" rule; I likely would have been awarded the pot anyway by this particular floorman, but that's another story.

I've seen players tap the table after they call an opponent who has tabled his hand on the river, and then turn over a winning hand. On occasion it is an actual misread, but more often, it is indeed a slowroll, and an ugly one: a normal slowroll leaves you unsure about whether you have won; this kind, where your opponent taps the table, make you think you have won for sure.

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Today a table tap seems to have many different meanings I see people do it in all different situations and having different apparent meanings that i never assign any meaning to it anymore.

Of course a hundred years ago things were different.

[RR]

The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

[SNOWBALL]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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will the floor generally try to retrieve the cards from the muck to have a proper showdown?

[RR]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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will the floor generally try to retrieve the cards from the muck to have a proper showdown?

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Yes, if the cards are retrievable th ebest hand wins. Note: your milage may vary because modern cardrooms are known for having floorstaff that gets a rule half right.

[AngusThermopyle]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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And creates another angle where a player mucks a probable loser when he hears anything approximating "you win".

[Rick Nebiolo]

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The purpose of this rule is to preent an angle where someone says "you win" and then attempts to claim the pot if the other player takes that as a cencession and mucks his hand thinking he has won.

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And creates another angle where a player mucks a probable loser when he hears anything approximating "you win".

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Cliff Notes follow after my usual blather.

That and the influx of multiple languages being spoken in LA (meaning verbal declarations are often misunderstood) was a reason it was taken out of the 1997 update to the rulebook shared by the big LA County clubs.

But many of the old time floor staff and management still tended to like the "You Win" rule so over time it started sneaking back in "the rules"; usually via the poker manager via memo or an entry into the floor staff logbook.

IMO it tends to create more problems then it solves, at least here in LA. Recently I saw a sign near the podium of Hawaiian Gardens top section that said"The "You Win" rule no longer applies. Cards Speak." I didn't realize it did apply and would never use it either way (as a player).

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Cliff Notes: Don't count on such a rule existing or consistent or practical enforcement.

~ Rick

[ChadK]

More Cliff notes: just hold on to your **** cards untill the pot is pushed to you and you have no problems, pretty simple.