"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers? - Page 11

AngusThermopyle · #**101** 07-19-2007, 12:39 PM

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

--Zetack

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I dont Know where to start, probably by saying how tacky your request is.

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But coming here and the other site and bashing CF for giving information and advice is not tacky?

pkrporcupine · #**102** 07-19-2007, 12:46 PM

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

Zetack · #**103** 07-19-2007, 12:48 PM

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I'm interested from a gossip perspective, in how much the big winners tip, if any. I'm not particularly interested in the ZOMG, Harrah's should pay the dealers better not us, debate.

Personally, I would've tipped an extra 80K for the win, and nothing for one of the just in the money, 20k cashes. Make of that what you will.

--Zetack

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I dont Know where to start, probably by saying how tacky your request is. A toke is a personal thing that each person must decide for themselves and not be influenced by anyone other than your perception on how your service was. I got my tip, a wonderful heartfelt hug from a good guy and it was priceless.

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I didn't make a request. I was commenting that I was interested in the thread to the extent that it reveals how much Yang tipped. (The additional involvement of Ferguson is also interesting gossip.) I didn't mention it, but the gossip you contributed from inside the payout room and background on how the dealers are getting compensated was interesting.

However, the whether to tip or not to tip dealers in the WSOP is a debate that's raged many times on these forums, and I find the rehash boring. That was my comment.

You may find my interest in how much the big winners toked tacky, but I didn't even solicit that information. I just looked at it when it became publicly available.

I'm sure I am interested in many things that you would find tacky or distasteful to you. Why you feel the need to reprimand me over one of them, particularly when you are a major participant in a public discussion of one of them, is baffling to me.

--Zetack

W brad · #**104** 07-19-2007, 12:48 PM

I have new respect for Jesus now. He gave good advice even though he could probably foresee that he would catch some heat from certain parties for doing so.

UATrewqaz · #**105** 07-19-2007, 12:53 PM

You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

Dealers might be bitter that people around them are winning millions of dollars but that doesn't entitle them to a freaking dime of the prizepool. THey aren't risking their money and they aren't playing. They are performing a job that can be done by pretty much anyone who isn't brain dead.

If you are impressed by the dealers and the service and by Harrahs (ahahah) then feel free to tip.

pkrporcupine · #**106** 07-19-2007, 12:55 PM

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I have new respect for Jesus now. He gave good advice even though he could probably foresee that he would catch some heat from certain parties for doing so.

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Weather it was good advice or not, it was incomplete information. And I have not once "bashed" Chris for what he has done or said, I simply dont like how he did it. I could have very well done the same thing, I could have told Jerry incomplete truths and make it sound like he should leave thousands for the dealers.

RR · #**107** 07-19-2007, 12:55 PM

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I'm pretty sure in most casinos, unless the dealers don't want to, that dealers deal every type of game from the 1/2 game to the 4k/8k atleast at the Venetian. They are doing the exact same thing at each game. Yes the moneys bigger but it's still poker and it's still chips. The rake is about the same for every type of game.

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That is probably what they do at the Venetian. In a well run casino they have multiple rotations and send the better dealers to games with more money at stake.

RR · #**108** 07-19-2007, 01:01 PM

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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This is something your toke committee should have for you. You do know this is the dealer's money to be divided up by the dealers and not Harrah's don't you?

DrewDevil · #**109** 07-19-2007, 01:01 PM

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He was wrong, plain and simple. .

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How was he wrong?
Please explain.
He said $X was taken out of Yang's share of the prize pool for tips.
Do you dispute that?
Were his figures off?
By how much?

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The dealers only recieve 65% of the 1.8%, it is shared between over 700+ dealers and I wish I knew the total number of downs so you could calculate exactly how much each dealer would recieve. yet again this is not about the ammount, it is about CF knowing exactly how it is all diced up and this is the 2nd time that i know of of him convincing someone to not tip based on a false statement meant to mislead

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"Whenever someone says it's not about the money, it's about the money."

I was sympathetic at first but now you've grown whiny and tiresome. If you don't think Yang should have tipped, then please STFU.

pkrporcupine · #**110** 07-19-2007, 01:01 PM

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You pay a huge rake, you play your ass off for a week, for a once in a life time cash, and you're expected to just give away hundreds of thousands of dollars you don't have to? That's madness.

Dealers might be bitter that people around them are winning millions of dollars but that doesn't entitle them to a freaking dime of the prizepool. THey aren't risking their money and they aren't playing. They are performing a job that can be done by pretty much anyone who isn't brain dead.

If you are impressed by the dealers and the service and by Harrahs (ahahah) then feel free to tip.

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I give up. Alot of the readers here have been wonderful to debate with, as for the rest of you that feel it necessary to put me down and my proffession and NOT READ MY ORIGINAL POST, y'all are sad