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Old 05-17-2007, 08:17 PM
Brighton Belle Brighton Belle is offline
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Default 100NL rags flop bottom two pair

I posted this in Small Stakes but suspect I might get more help here:

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First orbit for me at this table so no reads.

When I was in the SB I reraised the shortstack currently in MP2 and put him all-in on a J-high flop; my QQ lost to his AK when he hit on the turn, so my image might be a) competent, b) tilting or c) both!

How does this look (apart from 'fold PF')?:

iPoker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
7 players

Stack sizes:
SB: $105.00
BB: $60.70
UTG: $25.60
MP1: $107.95
MP2: $41.40
CO: $107.45
Hero: $94.70

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero calls</font>, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4, 4 players)
SB bets $3, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($30, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20</font>, SB calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($70, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero checks</font>.

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Am I missing a value bet on the river?

(I don't like that I've showed so much strength and been called on such a dry board.)

What do we do if we bet and get check-raised AI?
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Old 05-17-2007, 09:10 PM
Vegetarian Vegetarian is offline
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Default Re: 100NL rags flop bottom two pair

Why is everyone short stacked?

Anyways shove river. The only things that can really beat you are 33 and 55 and they are pretty unlikely given you have 53.
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Old 05-17-2007, 10:48 PM
Sun Wukong Sun Wukong is offline
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Default Re: 100NL rags flop bottom two pair

Just out of interest why limp PF? I almost never limp OTB.
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:09 AM
KJatl KJatl is offline
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Default Re: 100NL rags flop bottom two pair

SB is completing here with any two probably so it's hard to put him on any specific hand. Although I think his most likely hand is Kx with a medium kicker that hasn't paired, the way he's play this. I'm a nit in these situations so I probably check behind but I don't mind a value bet here.
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Old 05-18-2007, 12:46 AM
CaptainCAM CaptainCAM is offline
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Default Re: 100NL rags flop bottom two pair

why such a big raise here on the flop?
Are you trying to take advantage of image, win it right there or....?

I probably would have put in a smaller raise, maybe to 8 or 9, then played it roughly how you did from there except put in a 2/3 PSB on the river as well.

As played i think its a coin flip between checking and betting on the river. I would tend to check as well, its a big raise for him to to call on the flop without a better hand and if i was in his position with a strong hand i would let you do the betting after i see that size bet.

thoughts?
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Old 05-18-2007, 06:05 AM
Brighton Belle Brighton Belle is offline
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Default Re: 100NL rags flop bottom two pair

(Error: sorry, the blinds were $0.50/$1)

Limp preflop was to try and hit a drawing hand, rather than raise and then bluff flop. Just a matter of personal style surely?

Big flop raise was to take it down there and then. If he comes along for the ride with Kx then I'm not going to know when/if he hits his kicker so I'm happy to win it now. And I want to make 64 and 42 pay to draw.

River I've now had 2 votes for a value bet (from SSNL), 1 for a shove and 2 for a nitty check (from FR).

As suspected by the nits (including me!) villain turns over K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and wins with two pair.

I think this is another difference between SH and FR: at FR we expect calls against shows of strength to mean what they say!
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