Bottom set TT in 3 bet 3 way flop

CaseS87 · #1 10-26-2006, 06:01 AM

UTG is 19/10/1.65
SB is 22/8.6/1.4

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $69.35
CO: $46.65
Hero: $57.65
SB: $83.45
BB: $78.20

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero calls, SB raises to $5.5, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($17, 3 players)
SB bets $17, UTG folds, Hero ???

Sir Winalot · #2 10-26-2006, 06:24 AM

I 3-bet preflop. As played preflop I'm not so sure. IMO SB range is pretty much QQ+, AK here. You're ahead of AA and AK but I doubt you get a call from AK if you push and AA may fold sometimes too. This is WA/WB and I push or fold, probably fold>push, but I doubt I'd get away from this on the table.

CaseS87 · #3 10-26-2006, 06:26 AM

3 betting TT against this particular opponenent is practically suicidal IMO.

uminchu · #4 10-26-2006, 06:37 AM

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I 3-bet preflop. As played preflop I'm not so sure. IMO SB range is pretty much QQ+, AK here. You're ahead of AA and AK but I doubt you get a call from AK if you push and AA may fold sometimes too. This is WA/WB and I push or fold, probably fold>push, but I doubt I'd get away from this on the table.

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i dont think you have to three bet here, especially with your read, as played though i think i push but it sucks, and i think that AK will def call a push here but this spot just sucks all around

AJGibson · #5 10-26-2006, 06:48 AM

pf spot on, on the flop a push is your best option.

pokerchap · #6 10-26-2006, 07:34 AM

fold PF. push flop, it is the only option.

CaseS87 · #7 10-26-2006, 07:40 AM

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fold PF. push flop, it is the only option.

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Why would I fold preflop?

Sir Winalot · #8 10-26-2006, 08:59 AM

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fold PF. push flop, it is the only option.

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Fold pf, what the hell?! And I think it's a little closer than that on the flop.

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3 betting TT against this particular opponenent is practically suicidal IMO.

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Woot? Position with TT against a supposed TAG (19/10/1.65). I raise this up.

drunkmonk · #9 10-26-2006, 06:28 AM

The $17 might just be a c-bet. I'd push and pray he's got AA, AK, or JJ.

gumpzilla · #10 10-26-2006, 07:39 PM

I think this hand is worth looking at. "Never fold a flopped set" is great and all, but at first glance this looks like the kind of situation where I'd at least be thinking about it.

What's a reasonable range for a SB 3-bet against an UTG bet and call (and it's a small 3-bet, too, which seems a little weird to me)? Let's say we put him on 99+, AQ-AK, AJs. Then we have 70% equity. Now let's say he only bets out with JJ+, AK, AJs. We still have 60% equity. At first I was agonizing a little bit about what I'd do here, but looking at those numbers there's no ditching this hand. I think the key is that the AK, JJ and AA combinations are so much more frequent than the sets or straights (and you have outs against the straight) that your equity is pretty good here.

The only question I have is whether AK folds to a push. It should, and that's the only thing I don't like about a push. On the other hand, JJ calls a push and probably doesn't stack off unless it hits otherwise, so it's probably a wash. So push is fine, call and induce another bet is fine.