JJ river play

[bobhalford]

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (11.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ?

[topspinner]

without any reads, I am not sure how you can do anything but C/C.

[mjkidd]

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without any reads, I am not sure how you can do anything but C/C.

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You can bet/fold, and I think it's better here. Most better hands are going to be bet on this river if you check (QQ and KK will probably bet, and they can be discounted because of the lack of a pf cap). He could easily have a hand like 89, 8T, 99, or TT that will likely call if you bet the river but are never betting if you check. If he has AK or AQ or aces up, you might get raised, but then you have a pretty easy fold.

[jstill]

Id bet, id have to have a reason to bet call or ck call the former being more likely to occur

[jr4284]

I bet/call this all day long. I'm really only worred about AdXd showing up here.

The only way I check/call is if I have a note that he is able to be induced a lot and has a low SD%.

[SuperUberBob]

I like bet/folding on this hand. I only check/call if I think my opponent will make a river bluff on the ace.

[BryanC]

I like bet/fold,

Not sure we can narrow his range a whole lot on the turn there are plenty of hands he could be semi bluffing with, so i like the turn three bet. Follow through and bet the river he calls with enough lower pairs to show a profit IMO

[Apanage]

Bet/folding is horrible in theory.At the poker table it is maybe the best option after all.But I´m not totally convinced.
After 3-betting turn your hand is face up. You have 66-AA and maybe some xdxd hands.If you bet/fold here a thinking villain will Valuebluff raise you all day long.He is getting 12.75:1 putting in the raise if he already intends to call you.And he is getting great odds to raise even if he doesn´t intend to call.Not that I give many villains credit for having the guts or the brain to do it and that often includes myself.
But there is also villains that don´t have brains which raise this river for different reasons and accidentally makes a good play.
Generally speaking I don´t like bet/folding rivers unless our opponent is really predictable or loose passive.
Because if they are we have a player that is stupid enough to call with less than JJ and can at the same time find a relatively safe fold to a raise.
By check/calling we are getting value owned but we see a showdown and occassionally we induce a stupid bluff or a light value bet.

[mjkidd]

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Bet/folding is horrible in theory.At the poker table it is maybe the best option after all.But I´m not totally convinced.
After 3-betting turn your hand is face up. You have 66-AA and maybe some xdxd hands.If you bet/fold here a thinking villain will Valuebluff raise you all day long.He is getting 12.75:1 putting in the raise if he already intends to call you.And he is getting great odds to raise even if he doesn´t intend to call.Not that I give many villains credit for having the guts or the brain to do it and that often includes myself.
But there is also villains that don´t have brains which raise this river for different reasons and accidentally makes a good play.
Generally speaking I don´t like bet/folding rivers unless our opponent is really predictable or loose passive.
Because if they are we have a player that is stupid enough to call with less than JJ and can at the same time find a relatively safe fold to a raise.
By check/calling we are getting value owned but we see a showdown and occassionally we induce a stupid bluff or a light value bet.

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Obviously bet/fold is exploitable. But so is check/call and bet/call and check/fold, if we always do it in this spot. Just because we bet/fold here doesn't mean we have to always bet/fold in this spot. Anyway, I don't think bet/call is bad here at all, and is def. better than check/call here.

[Apanage]

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Obviously bet/fold is exploitable. But so is check/call and bet/call and check/fold, if we always do it in this spot.

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Every action is exploitable.But if villain would play his hand perfectly bet/folding and check/folding is by far the most costly ones.
If villain plays perfectly he knows that your range is 66-AA.He knows that you´re going to bet/fold river with all non-set hands.I don´t expect anyone to play perfectly but if he does it is a 5/9th pot mistake.