KK check-raised on an TTx flop

[iheartponeez]

Villain is a 19/16 thinker, but I don't think he bluffs much.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$55.15</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$54.10</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$65.40</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$45.95</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$54.85</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, SB calls $1.75, BB calls $1.5

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $8</font>, <font color="#777777">BB folds</font>

Sigh...what's the move and why?

[iheartponeez]

Brump!

[doppelganger]

What's his aggression look like? Any other reads? How does he like to play draws? Have you seen him make similar moves on paired boards against anyone else?

Without any of these reads I will probably try to get to showdown cheaply unless I improve. Call and plan on calling a reasonable bet on a non-heart/non-ace turn.

[winnnar]

Call and re-evaluate turn. If a face card rolls off and he checks, bet and fold to a raise.

This may seem weak, but if he leads out for half the pot or more I would give serious consideration to folding.

[mojed]

Tricky spot, do you think a 19/16 is defending his blind to a UTG raise with JT, QT, KT or AT to a UTG+1 raise? I don't think I would defend with such hands. This could be an underpair deciding this is a good board to take it away from the preflop raisor. That said it's a weak raise, which I don't like. I'm tempted to call it down, hoping to induce an underpair to keep playing with us. A shame if villain has a weirdly played flush draw, probably not a big part his range though.

[Fulzgold]

flop min-raises don't scare me off KK here. What's your table image?

call and re evaluate. you're still ahead of his range.

[Speedlimits]

call

[storman99]

i don't like calling here i would reraise to $18
and if villain pushes back then fold.

if you call the $4 villain might check it down.
if you call the $4 will you call $7 to $10 on the turn [yes]
if you call the $7 to $10 on the turn villain might check the river. but what bet will you call on the river if villain bets.

that is why I'd rather lose $14 if villain pushes back on the flop then calling it down and lose $14 to $20 or more to a set of tens or a flopped full house.
There is to many scary cards that could come any A and any heart.
unless if villain is very tight after the flop c/f

[mojed]

I guess your suggestion is a "find out where we're at" type of raise. I get the feeling these have gone out of fashion, nowadays people are more concerned about hand ranges.

If we put 14 dollars in now by raising, we are probably folding out the hands we beat, while the hands that have us beat remain. So we narrow the villain's range to hands we beat, if called, otherwise we win the pot. It's kinda WA/WB if we reraise.

If we call and villain bets 16, villain's range is wider, he could be double barreling with an underpair. We can call, and we've only invested 6 dollars more than we would have had we raised to 18 on the flop, but now we have a much greater chance of winning.

[Briman51]

He's giving us odds of 4.5:1 so there's no way we're folding here.

Call or raise?

His range conatins mostly pockets, blufss and hearts.

5% Against bluffs we want to call do induce another bluff.
20% Against hearts we want to reraise to kill his implied odds.
50% Against pockets we want to put in a small reraise/call to extract as much value as possible from the hand.
25% Against trips we want to fold.

Which means that we should probably call hoping to extract value from his pockets, reevaluating if a heart or ace comes and folding if he makes two big bets.